Burning Down the House
It's June, the mother of all wedding months. And, as was mentioned before, it's also the month we celebrate our anniversary. So I've been thinking some thoughts about marriage.
I've been hearing a lot of conversations about marriages - marriages on the rocks, marriages failing, marriages unlikely to last. It's sad. And scary. Will we be one of the couples who makes it? I certainly hope so. We definitely plan to. But what if one of us goes off the deep end and burns the whole thing to the ground? What if we face a challenge so great that we don't overcome it? I know for a fact that the enemy attacks our marriages and anyone in ministry can count on being on his hit list. We've felt the heat before and I'm sure we will feel it again. What if we fall for his lies and tricks? What if we don't even need his intervention because we are so self-destructive on our own?
What do you do when your friend's marriage is burning to the ground? Really, what steps do you take? How far do you go to try to help them? This is not currently happening in my circle of relationships, but what if?
If it were Curtis and me, what would our friends do? Would they stand by quietly or would they take us out to the woodshed and beat some sense into us? Seriously, I hope they'd take us to the woodshed. I hope someone would stage an intervention.
Even so - as I'm learning in my adulthood - people do what they want. There's only so much you can do to help.
I have no idea where I'm going with this. None. But these are the thoughts I've been thinking.
About six weeks ago Curtis and I watched Fireproof for the first time. I don't know why we'd waited so long to see it. Actually, I do. We were feeling rebellious about it. So many people were saying we should see it that it made us not want to. Nice, right? It's funny because the night before we actually watched it, we had a humongous fight. The fight was about which "movie on demand" we were going to watch on our TV. For real, y'all. How that seemed worthy of such a huge fight, I have no idea. The next night, when we finally watched this movie about a marriage being saved from the flames, it ate our lunch. We both cried. When was the last time we saw a movie that showed romance in a marriage? I don't even know. If your marriage needs a shot in the arm (and whose doesn't), do yourself a favor and watch this movie. And get the book, "The Love Dare," that's shown in it. You might be feeling a little rebellious like we were. If so, you just need to get over it because your pride is stealing a blessing from you.
Here's a question for you. If you ladies who are married knew that someone reading this blog was struggling in her marriage, what one thing would you want to say to her?
I'd say something that my mom once told me. Difficulties come in waves. If you can make it through the wave you're on, you'll find that it will end. Just because it's hard right now and just because you don't feel any affection for your mate at this moment doesn't mean it will never go back to normal. Or even to better-than-normal. Persevere, pray, and read your Bible. We need God's living and active Truth to pulverize the stubbornness, the numbness, the indifference, and the lies we've bought into. Get counseling. And please don't say it's too expensive. Getting a divorce is much more expensive in every way. Plus, a lot of Christian counselors will offer their services on a sliding scale based on your income. Okay, I will stop writing now because I want to hear your two cents.
Also, if you have been in a failed marriage, I pray that this post does not heap discouragement on you. That would be the last thing we'd ever want to do on this blog. Please know that Jesus loves you so much and there is no situation that He cannot redeem for His glory and your good. If He were not capable of redeeming, I would be the most hopeless of all. But here I am telling you that there is hope. He is hope.
Ephesians 5
Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.
For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said:
"Wake up, O sleeper,
rise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you."
Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord's will is. Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit. Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord, always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— for we are members of his body. "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

295 Comments:
Thank you for posting this, I've been asking my prayer sisters for marriage advice lately and God has shown His presence. My dear friends showed me how I contribute to the problems in my marriage and gave me resources to healing. I'm reading "How to Act Right When Your Spouse Acts Wrong" by Leslie Vernick and it really explains God's view of my marriage.
Now before I act I ask myself "Is this pleasing to God? Are my words pleasing God or pleasing me? Does my behavior please God."
I'm learning to Be Still in my thoughts and reactions to my spouse and listen to the voice of God.
Oh, Amanda, with what truth you write. I too would hope that someone would care enough about me and love me enough to take me to the woodshed. My husband and I have reached a point in our married life, we're in our early 30s and married for 12 years, that all of a sudden, we are finding that too many of our friends marriages are falling apart leaving hearts broken and young children's lives battered and scarred. Satan is a real enemy! He is on the prowl, looking for those he might devour. Oh, what a time for us to rise up and pray for each other as Christian brothers and sisters, to unite as a unified front that we will make it together refusing to become a statistic in the enemy's hand, allowing God to be the Head of our homes and the ruler of our Hearts. We are lost without Him. Praying God's richest blessings on your marriage as you celebrate another year together. My husband and I were blessed to have celebrated year 12 on June 7th! To God be the glory!
Jenn
Tennessee
Can't tell you how much I needed to read this Amanda. My husband and I are days away from our 11th anniversary and there are moments daily I'm not sure if we'll make it!
Thanks for coming along side your mom's message at LPL Pittsburgh!! I continue to remind myself... I WILL MAKE IT TO MALTA!! (Even if it means enduring a few waves along the way!)
i would say something much the same. your relationship will not always be filled with "passion". i have heard couples split up because there was no more passion. my mom always said you aren't just making the commitment to your husband you making it first and for most to God when you take your vows. (she and my dad have been married 38 years in september). my mother in law says if you look for it, your love and appreciation that you once had will always come back around. She also says always have something to look forward to together even if it is something as simple as saving for a new piece of furniture (she and my father in law have been married for almost 46 years). i'm 33 and have seen some marriages end in divorce already, and from what i can see getting out is a whole lot harder than staying in (there are of course exceptions to this), but the grass is never greener on the other side. if we can give it all to God and keep Him central in our lives and the marriage all things will work for our good. we all have to realize that another individual will never make us fully happy and we can never make another person fully happy. only God can do that. having said all that it takes 3, not just 2 to make a marriage last and work.
Oooo! I was feeling rebellious about "Fireproof"
and "The Love Dare." Thank you, I will get it!
I am single but what an awesome way to learn in
advance and then, if God does bless me with a husband, I have a little heads up. In my singleness, He can use me so much, but I pray that if it is in His Will, to please send me someone
awesome who Loves HIM!
Love in Christ,
Michele
My husband threw our marriage away in a BIG ugly embarrassing disgusting way. BUT GOD IS GOOD and has tucked me away safe under His wings :) I believe a marraige where both are willing to work, can last if rooted in the Lord and I'd even try it again....a long time in the future!
I believe love is a choice...Jesus uses the same word love when he says love your enemies as he uses for loving your spouse. I'm certainly not going to love my enemies with the same feel good, cloud 9, emotional love that I feel for my husband. I'm going to have to choose to love my enemies with Gods supernatural power in me, and I'm going to have to choose, daily in Gods power, to love my husband...whether I feel giddy about it that day or we're working on some tough issues at the moment. So when someone comes to me and says they've fallen out of love with their spouse, the spark just isn't there anymore, I'm going to say "no, you are choosing to not love your spouse anymore." And I hope my friends would do the same for me! Hope that made sense! Praise God for the ministry y'all have!
God has chosen marriage to be his illustration to the world of Christ’s love for the church. So,the devil wants to destroy marriages. Not just so he can destroy one or two people but so he can destroy families, societies and nations. Men and women are different! But both Adam and Eve were made in God’s image. Therefore it takes both the man and the woman together to accurately portray the image of God. Children learn who God is by seeing Mom and Dad together. If the parents split up, the kid’s “God-concept” will be messed up too. So, a real battle is waged over every marriage; all the forces of hell are arrayed against it. From homosexual activism to pornography, internet chat rooms, extra-marital affairs, work-a-holism, kids being used as walls or made into idols, couples living detached lives, money problems, & substance abuse. The devil throws his big guns against husbands and wives in an attempt to knock out God’s best plan for mankind: marriage. When we hear of a break-up, we should drop to our knees before God and cry out for mercy!It should break our hearts - it does God’s, and it shreds the lives of the children of divorce. Let us not kid ourselves, kids may live through it, but not without grave damage. Divorce is the suicide of a family. It is a willful act on someone’s part; a fateful life-ending decision for the family. Divorce is a choice to pull the plug on a marriage that may, be very sick. But God is the God of the impossible. He is the God who can resurrect! He who called Lazarus from the grave can and will restore any marriage IF we will just step back from the cliff a few steps, take a deep breath and let the God breathe His way, His truth and His life into us. It is not God’s will that your marriage end in divorce. I can say that will all the conviction in the world. It is also not God’s will for you to be in a cold, hurtful, abusive or destructive marriage. Sometimes, when the pain is so great, those are the only options you can see: stay in this terrible marriage or get out. BUT THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION. Your marriage can change. Of course, both parties must be willing and God does not force His will upon us. Neither can we force it on others. The only person I can control is me. But, every crisis is also an opportunity. It may be that through a crisis, the changes that need to come in your marriage can finally be effected. There is no personal problem that cannot be fixed with the proper application of two things:repentance and forgiveness. Forgiveness is really hard because we have really been hurt. It feels like if we forgive somebody then we are "approving" what they did- like saying “It's okay, what you did to me.” But it’s not okay. When Jesus forgives us He doesn't "overlook" our sin or say "It’s okay." In fact, He said it’s so bad that somebody has to die for it! He took the consequences of our sin on Him then He forgave us. He doesn’t hold it against us anymore. Forgiveness is: not holding what they did to us (or withheld from us) against them anymore. They did it. It hurt. We can never change that. What we can change is the future by getting free from the past hurt so it can’t hurt us over and over again. First, you must receive forgiveness, then you can forgive others. Pray and ask God to forgive you, then forgive those who have hurt you,then take responsibility for your part and ask your spouse to forgive you. The cross of Christ makes it possible! He took all the sin, guilt, shame, punishment, and burden on Himself so we don’t have to bear it! “Forgive, just as Christ forgave you!” I know that there is someone reading this right now who is contemplating the suicide of their marriage. Can I share with you one last thought: Right is always right and wrong is always wrong. Doing the right thing may not help, but doing the wrong thing never will. Don't pull the plug. Give the resurrection power of God a chance to bring your dead marriage to life again!
I apologize- I am breaking the rules and posting even though I'm not married and never have been. Here's the thing though- God used a dear friend (also single) to bring the book The Power of a Praying Wife by Stormie Omartian into my hands and I have been praying for my husband every morning for months. The most fun thing about this (so far) is how God has truly used this book to change me, draw me closer to Him and show me areas where I need some refinement now- before I'm married. And while I am not silly enough to believe that this will grant me a perfect marriage (ha!) I believe the seeds sown by putting in this time now will be reaped when I am in a marriage some day! So, take it for what it's worth, but I think if God can rock a single girl's world with this timeless classic, it must be gold for those whose marriages don't just exist in the heavenlies, but are already happening here on earth!
Funny that you write this as just this week I have two friends who have told me their wives are leaving them. I look forward to reading what people have to say as I hope to offer them some encouragement in the situation.
I have been married for 13 years. The first five of those were hell. Between the two of us, we had four affairs. Neither of us were Christian at the time. In 2002, I was dragged to a "Living Proof Live" event and haven't been the same since. My heart broke over my sin, I repented and turned my life to Christ. My marriage hasn't been the same since either. Only Christ can heal the wounds we had given each other, only Christ can sit with the broken-hearted, and love us when all the rest of the world has walked out. Thank you for your ministry to women. It changes lives and marriages too. My husband and I are very happy together, and our three children are blessed beyond measure with God's grace. We all are!
I love what your mom says. I agree. Our God is a miracle worker and we do need to fight for our marriages and that is where having accountability partners help. You need godly people in your life that you can be real with and that will tell you what you need to hear regardless of how you feel. I also love my "Power of a Praying Wife" book by Stormie Omartian. Praying God's word for our husbands does amazing things for them and us as well. I'm glad you posted this subject.
Susan
Transitioning from Hico to Adamsville
Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith 1 Peter 5:8-9a
While not "burning the house down" through divorce yet an emotional roller coaster nonetheless and very trying.
My spouse went through 3 rounds of cancer treatment (the last one being a blood stem cell transplant where they just about kill you and bring you back to life) with each one having a 50/50 chance of working (or surviving). It was an emotional roller coaster. I knew to stay in the Word, pray, and wait on the Lord. While he was in the hospital going through this, I would go to bed at night with my laptop and your mom's (Beth) dvd videos playing to watch and listen to them over and over again. Then switch to watching her online on OnePlace.com, James Robison, wherever she was I found her. I stayed in the Word and let the Holy Spirit speak to me through Beth Moore and her prayers.
Had I known about the "snuggie" or whatever they call it in the south, I would have wrapped myself in it and weathered out the storm. The storms are bound to come so prepare. My mom's motto to me, "Be prepared at all times."
Lets see I bought the fireproof movie and the love dare book. I did it for a few days and all hell broke loose. I also have have the book by Stormie O Martin Power of a Praying Wife. It is now sitting in my closet cause He hurt my feelings yet again. I know that I'm suppose to be the bigger person . I am at the point of telling the Lord You Lord take care of Him. I'll pray for Him but will not make myself sick over him not wanting to change or look at porn or ignore me. I understand I took vows and My best friend keeps telling me Just one word from the Lord could change everything.
I guess this is my wake up call from the Lord. So thanks Sister for confirmation.
please pray for us. I'm Sue and His name is Kevin.
We just celebrated our
37th anniversary and we have for sure been through the hard times, but really never considered divorce an option...
I look around today and our kids are 35 and 27 and I can think of VERY few that their parents are still married. Sometimes I wonder why we made it and I really believe that your Mom's words are the exact reason... And there is nothing better than loving grandbabies together....
Wow, Amanda...what can I say? you preach it girl. We are celebrating our anniversary on Saturday. 28 years!!! Your mom is right, you have to ride the waves, and get caught under them sometimes, and come up for air, before the next one hits. Marriage is so hard at times, forgiving, giving, and giving again. Your example about the movie choice goes to the heart of it. My ugly side comes out, when I'm tired, stressed and yes, we still argue after 28 years, and yes, we've gone to counseling to get some help...Thank the Lord... I can trust, and know that God will meet all my needs, not my husband. that's one basic thing to learn, Husbands are human, and can't do all or be all we want. Only God can do that. bless you on your anniversary, dear Amanda. love, Pam in San Diego
I've had several friends and close family members who are living/have lived in fragile marriages. I've suggested counseling--I can find a place for them to go, but I can't set up the appointment for them. To my friend I try to say that divorce isn't an option, but that sounds like foolishness to her since both her parents and her husband's parents are divorced. To her, it's already been an option in her life. They have since come off this "wave" and things are much better, but I pray I will have the courage to give courage and strength to those who may need my words one day.
Audrey, Illinois
Love you, girl! Thanks for sharing from your heart!
Thanks for the encouragement, you are so right we can just hang on and trust Jesus. My friend and I were just talking about her marriage and then I came home and read this. I am going to cut and paste it to her right now. They are strong, but just need to work on a few things.
I also have not seen Fireproof, and I think for the same reasons. I have been tempted, but 6 kids and a house full every night has put things off. However recently I have been thinking of getting the Dare (I think that is what it is called)just so I can be an encouragement to my man and add to our marriage.
This was just what I needed to hear. Thanks so much.
From one who has ridden the waves...long and hard...and lived to tell about it:
1. I would want you to know that he will not be perfect...neither will you. We are not perfect, but we serve the One Who is.
2. I would want you to know that if your spouse is unforgiving, rest in God's lovingkindness that is better than life and forgives perfectly.
3. I would want you to know that sometimes you hang on with everything you have and ride it out -- just like Amanda and Beth said.
4. I would say Godly marriage counseling is a GOOD THING and nothing to be ashamed of!!
5. I would say that there will be days that you will pray every minute of every hour and sometimes every second of ever minute of every hour.
6. I would tell you that if you have been tempted to spend every ounce of energy on your children, start today saving some for your spouse. I heard my friends Rodney and Selma say tonight that the verse in the Bible that says "it is better to give than to receive" is not only a stewardship verse, but it has much to say about marriage.
7. I also heard them remind us to use the 80%/20% rule. Thank your spouse for the 80% that he does right and let the 20% go.
8. I would tell you to DATE ONE ANOTHER, DREAM WITH ONE ANOTHER, AND DELIGHT ONE ANOTHER! We're working on this one!!
9. Use your morning and evening windows to invest in each other...even if it is only for 5 minutes. Undivided attention and eye contact!
10. And remember...love covers a multitude!!! Love covers!! Praise God!!!
Blessings,
Dori
A professor I had in college told us about a really rough time in his marriage. At one point, he was ready to call it quits and walk out. His wife had no clue at the time how he felt. Instead of leaving, he started praying for his wife and for God to love her through him. After a while, he noticed that his feelings towards his wife were changing and that his wife was changing too. God worked in both of them during those difficult times. Today, they are still in love, very happy and loving the Lord even more.
God, in His word, tells us to pray for our enemies. I think this would include those with whom we are having a difficult time. Pray for your spouse, marriage and your situation. Let God show up and show you and your spouse His love, mercy and goodness.
I got married when I was 20 and divorced when I was 23.
Exactly one person was bold enough to speak the truth to me in love. She said, "If you would have a hear of forgiveness you could work this out."
She was right!
I wish I had someone who could have seen what was going on behind closed doors. My marriage looked fine on the outside, but honestly there was abuse-physically and verbally, he lied all the time and he cheated on me. On top of all this I was sick the entire time we were married. I was going to dr. appointments, having treatments and surgeries and he was not there for me physically or emotionally. God allowed certain events to occur at the end where I knew this was not a healthy marriage, and it had to end. I wish I had gotten out earlier. Marriage is hard, but keeping God at the center of your marriage is crucial.
I am a daughter of a mother who has divorced three times...
I fear marriage and commitment myself because I don't want to be like they were...
I am in a relationship which is fabulous and Christ centered. I pray that it continues that way.
Divorce is so hard, and being a friend watching it is even harder...Thank you for this post and your thoughts!
God bless!
When a couple that had been married for 50+ years was asked how they stayed married for so long, the man answered,"We never fell out of love at the same time." How true and praise the Lord for that. Hang in there and ride the wave. Enjoy the good times too!!!
When I was going through a fiery time in my marriage a very wise woman told me, "I have never seen a woman reach out in faith to God and be disappointed." Boy was she right.
The best piece of advice on marriage I ever got (from a dear older Christian mentor of mine) when I was complaining to her about my husband and all that is wrong with him was: "You need to change YOUR attitude, then it will change." I was taken back at first - ME, CHANGE? She was so right. I changed how I treated him, what I expected of him, and I made the first step to be loving - and our marriage began to change for the better. We've been married for 18 years now - and it is a rollar coaster - just ride the wave - and smoother water will be on its way soon!
A friend of mine's mother once gave me advice very similar to what your mom said. I remember I was in high school and I asked her, "What if I get married and then I fall out of love?" and she said, "Oh, you will! For sure you will. Marriage is a cycle. Sometimes you are at the top, sometimes at the bottom. But if you just wait, you WILL come back to the top. Most people just don't wait long enough."
I have had several a girl sit on my couch in the past couple years and break down and tell me her marriage is in ruins. I then magically turn into a wise holy woman who gives her all the right advice.
AS IF! I freak out. I beg the Holy Spirit to give me the right words to say to her while I simultaneously ask Him, "Why me? I've only been married 6 years! What do I know??" All the while trying real real hard to keep my mouth from hanging agape while they tell me the horrible things their husband has said or done, AND trying not to let my own experiences taint anything I might say to her.
Fun times. Fun, squirmy times.
In summary, I can't wait to read the advice here!
I have been married for 8 years now and my husband was married twice before he married me; they both ended because his ex-wives cheated on him and he knew he wouldn't have to worry about me being another cheater because of my biblical beliefs and being unfaithful is something I would never be. But he tells me that we don't have fights, we have disagreements. I guess it makes me feel better to know his other two marriages were worse than what ours sometimes feels like. But I have to agree with what Beth said, it does come in waves. I love her analogy.
I just finished reading "The Language of Sex" by Dr. Gary Smalley and Ted Cunningham and in one part of it one of them stated that they slammed the door to the idea of divorce on their marriage and I know my husband and I feel the same way about our marriage. If we view it as it isn't even an option, it seems to make it easier to get through any troubles we have.
We both saw "Fireproof" and it is a very good one that everyone should see.
What a great post, thanks.
Greeting Siestas, I think I'm going to be typing more than my two cents...I may be settin' up a bank! I'm in the middle of the most difficult season of my life after 16 yrs. of marriage. We're both believers, have been in leadership,etc. My husband is done, done, done.In the same house, but in seperate bedrooms. Two beautiful teenage daughters.Our pastor/elders have prayed with him/us;shared the word;exhorted him;pointed out his disobedience, etc. This has truly pushed him farther away and shut him down even more. Some would say it is because he is convicted...he feels judged...not loved or understood and not receiving much grace."OBEDIENCE", they shout!He is not walking out, for now, that is obedient.He does not have one ounce left to give.Our situation seems impossible...this is when it has to be God. Being a doer I have tried to figure out every possible thing I can "do" to make it work. Counseling,books, deliverance praying, etc....the woodshed would only add to the wounded heart.It's got to be God. Many have said that the partners have to be willing. I love Jonah, he was running the other way, never mind willing.God loved him too much and wanted to use him anyway. Paul was on his way to murder more christians...hardly willing.God showed up big time.The Lord has shown such grace and mercy over my pitiful self, how can I not do the same for my husband? God has spoken to me and confirmed over and over again to "be still." Being still is a place of trust and it says, "I trust You God to do what's best for the whole of my family." Trusting, not in my husband's willingness and not in myself, but in God's character, His truthfulness, His ability, His strength. Being still is a place of humility and a deep trusting place with God. I don't want my small thinking to overshadow my hope.Grace invites healing. Grace is a soft place to land when you hurt so badly all you want to do is curl up in a ball and be done. His grace is sufficient to keep me still...on my knees,beseeching Him for total redemption in my marriage."On Him I have set my hope, that He will continue to deliver us, as you help us by your prayers." Thank you siestas for helping me/us with your prayers.
Julia
The married couples in our church did "The Love Dare" and followed it up with a one day marriage seminar which was wonderful. We didn't finish "The Love Dare" (I mean me and Josh, not the church), but I am working on it still and it has changed the way I think about my husband. Hopefully eventually it will change the way I talk to him and act toward him as well.
The one piece of advice? Every day remember: the enemy wants to destroy my marriage; God wants to save, protect and flourish my marriage. I have to choose to agree with the Lord about who He says He is, I am, my husband is, and our marriage is. I have to choose to not agree with the lies the enemy is always inviting me to believe. I will never be successful in this effort unless I saturate myself in God's amazing life-giving Word. It's simple. It's hard. It's life. And learning to believe what God says in His Word - that His Word really is alive and life-giving makes all the difference.
Warm in Alaska.
19 years of marriage.
countless marriage studies.
avid followers of Christ.
WHY IS MARRIAGE STILL SO HARD!
bff says "seperate"
kids say "let's leave"
but he's really not doing anything morally wrong.
I know God hates divorce, but why?
Books I recommend:
His Needs, Her Needs by Harley, Willard F. (this is that how to affair proof your marriage book- EXCELLENT) LOVE this book!
Omartian-power of praying husband/wife
Rainey, Dennis and Barbara, I especially liked Lonely Husbands, Lonely Wives
Chapman, The Five Love Languages
Wright, H. Norman, the Secrets of a Lasting Marriage and others
Crabb, Larry-many choices
Families Where Grace Is in Place
by Jeff VanVonderen---this book talks about why you memorize the verses that apply to YOU and not to your spouse or children. I highly recommend this one!
And, Fireproof :)
Get good godly Christian counsel. If your mate won't go, go alone. Pray, pray, pray. Pray for God to change you. Pray for God to help your partner. Pray, PRAY. Did I mention Pray? Prayer saved us from some HUGE issues that could have destroyed our marriage - well it was God, but prayer. We will celebrate 24 years this year. Humble yourself before your God and your mate. Be creative in the ways you show love. It is amazing what $2.00 post-it notes and some dry-erase markers can do for romance. Make your spouse a priority. What is important to them - seriously! Oh, I could go on for a long time. My spouse and I could write the book on this one. We have LOTS of testimony here.
We have been saved from more fires than you have space. We got singed along the way, sometimes still smell like smoke, but God also burnt off some impurities in the process. Don't quit. Get help from God first before you go to that girlfriend.
Thanks for the reminder - gotta go write some notes for my husband's lunch box.
Kim . . . who is
Grafted by Grace
Amanda, Great post, girl! My hubby and I just celebrated 38 years last week. Was it all roses, heck no! But the roses certainly out weigh the thorns. Marriage is all about love, trust, give and take, respect, communication, and choosing your battles.
Before you get mad about something, ask youself, 'is this really worth fussing over?'.
I thank God every day for this wonderful man that He sent me. Is he perfect, no and neither am I, but we work things out and have a wonderful life together.
Thank you Jesus for my husband, my wonderful marriage!
Being a child of divorce myself has made me more determined than anything to keep my wedding vows. Our first couple of years were SO tough and my husband actually left and we were separated for a little over a month. PRAYER is the reason we will celebrate our 10th anniversary this August. My sweet sister encouraged me to me pray for my marriage and she prayed with me....EVERY day....some days over the phone and when we could, in person...and God did the rest. To HIM be the glory! We continue to face struggles (like your mom said- in waves), but the good times are so worth the hard times and God's way is best! Stay on your knees in prayer for your marriages...THEY ARE WORTH FIGHTING FOR!
Last night we went to pick up some bees, and the couple who was selling them was so nice. Just about 5 years older than us (we are 36). At some point marriage came up and we asked how long they had been married, 7 years years.
On our way home we talked about how few people we know who have been married as long as we have. 15years in November.
One thing I tell friends who are thinking divorce, is that it will destroy a part of your child's life. Forever will be changed.
A less painful truth is that alot of times, if you can get yourself healthy, some of that health will grow on him. You are in the same pot, get healthy and he will improve!
Thanks Amanda!
My husband and I will be married 17 years in July and we also had our first 15 pretty miserable, even being "good Christian people". He was always telling me it was "my fault", but I couldn't get over one particular issue. But I was the one in constant prayer over that issue and it irritated me to no end that God never seemed to come to us in our time of trouble. HE blessed us over and over in other areas of our lives, but never in our marriage and I could never understand that.
BUT! Finally in 2008 He began a work in me and eventually him to draw us closer together and it has been absolutely amazing. We took a study at church using the book Intimate Encounters, which I would highly recommend. We finally started talking about stuff -- needs, situations, emotions -- in a calm, adult like mode that we had never been able to before.
It is still hard at times (in this world there will be trouble, but take heart, I have overcome this world!) but at least we know how to handle the trouble better.
O:)
Melissa
What an awesome post! So full of truth. I love the Ephesians 5 reference; so beautiful and fervent.
Amanda, I also truly appreciate what you wrote regarding marriage. I have been in that place in my marriage where those lovey dovey feelings were gone and it felt dark and lonely. However, with my mom's wise words and prayer support, faithful time in the word, and steadfast commitment, we've returned to an incredible place of love and renewal! It's way better than before...cause God's just so awesome like that!;) You're mom was right...just ride the wave!
Blessings,
Heather
I'm one week away from my 16th anniversary to "the love of my earthy life" -- the thing I have learned is I have to LOVE GOD first and then loving my hubby follows through the power of His Spirit.
When friends' marriages are in crisis I pray for GOD to draw them to HIMSELF - b/c if both of them are being truly drawn to GOD then they will be drawn to each other as well.
I have experienced this in my own marriage - when I stopped trying to "fix" this or "be" that and just pursued GOD -- GOD did the fixing in my own life that reopened the lines of communication with my hubby and healed the hurts and fixed the problems.
My husband recently returned from deployment with a fairly small squadron. Upon returning, we witnessed 3 failed relationships: a failed engagement, and 2 failed marriages that included affairs, all within our own squadron. It was shocking. But the encouraging part was to see the wife of one marriage stand firm and not let her husband leave (who had cheated on her). She had fallen away from God but used the situation to grow closer to him. Everyone (even some Christians) kept telling her to just leave and take care of herself and her kids, that her husband had already made the mistake, but she refused to believe her marriage wasn't worth saving. My husband and I counseled them a bit, for which we found almost humorous as we are only 29 and married for only 7 years. But what a way to make us learn about our own marriage. This couple has gotten professional counseling too and is still married, slowly on the mend.
You can't control your spouse, you can only choose to make the right decision in each moment of your life. I told her that yes, technically God would allow her to leave without her being in sin (1 Cor 7:15). But I also told her that God takes vows very seriously, and that He would certainly bless her for sticking through an "impossible" situation to save her marriage and honor her vows. Her efforts would not be in vain... Proverbs 16:20b says, "and blessed is he who trusts in the LORD." And blessed she is.
I was rebellious about seeing "Fireproof" for the same reasons you were, but I was so blessed by the movie. One of the best tools for marriage available is by Dr. Emerson Eggerich at www.loveandrespect.com . We went through this study in a Sunday School class and it helps you understand the "Crazy Cycle" couples get trapped in with their communication. And without communication, it is hard to make progress. My husband is at end stage lung cancer right now. I am so thankful to God that we are saying our goodbyes as a couple who never gave up on marriage throughout all the struggles. God blesses even "in sickness and in health" if you can just hang on through the tough times.
Dear Amanda,
Interesting that you should post this. There are so many people I know with struggling marriages. I have been counseling some. I take them right to God's Word. When they want to bad mouth their husband I take them to the passages about encouraging and building them up. I also take them to the love chapter. Telling them that love covers a multitude of sins. I encourage them to fight for their marriages. I pray with them and cry out to the Father on their behalf.
My husband and I have shown the movie at our church quite a few times. Amazing to me the people that come and don't come. The ones that really should be there are not. We also did a Sunday School fireproof marriage and again the ones that should be there are not. I won't stop going to the Father for them and encourage them.
I know that when my husband and I were going through a hard time and wanted to quit a couple came alongside us and did not stop. We really needed that. Please go alongside these people and encourage them, if not cry out to the Father for them.
Thanks Amanda for this.
Oh my - it's going to be tough just leaving a brief comment on this one. I survived a very difficult divorce years ago, in which my husband abandoned my daughter and I for a very sinful lifestyle. We were separated for 3 years before the divorce was finalized. I fasted, I prayed, I received counseling (even though he didn't want to), I drank in God's Word...I did everything I knew to do to try to save my marriage (in spite of my husband's grotesque sin), because I knew God hates divorce.
However, the marriage wasn't saved. By the time the divorce was finalized, I was at peace with God as my new husband! While I would never, never, never encourage divorce, I can say that God totally did a Romans 8:28 in my life. My relationship with Him soared to a level I never new possible. He has opened many doors for me to comfort others in similar situations with the comfort He provided me. He has literally restored the years the locusts have eaten. He gave me a new, Godly husband that adores me and my daughter. He has given me a tender heart towards single moms. He has given me a passion to pray like crazy for marriages on the rocks. He has literally changed me. He rained down His mercy, grace, compassion, and love ALL over me! I love Him so!
If you are married and struggling - do not give up! God is so much bigger than the problems in your marriage. Drown yourself in prayer and His word.
If you are already divorced and feeling guilty over your failed marriage, I've been there siesta! Again - give it to God. He wants to carry your yolk! Allow Him to work this out for His purpose and His glory and bring you to the place He wants you.
(So sorry for the long post.)
It's hard. I honestly don't know how folks make it outside of walking with Christ. My husband and I have been married 19 years. Over the last 5 years he has become a problem drinker. I love him dearly and it's hard to fight the advice the world gives vs. what the word of God says. It's hard when you see your children hurt and embarrassed and you live in fear of what tonight will be like. That's where the battle is! Plenty of ungodly advice is out there -it's vital we know the word of God and stay in fellowship with believers. My husband is a wonderful man and it saddens me that the enemy has a hold on him right now. I will not let him ruin our marriage! I would love to hear how women in a marriage where there is an addiction are making it. I know I'm not alone.
Anon
So true! So real...so hard...so worth it. As Satan's lies abound, we need the Truth. Plain & simple.
1. If your spouse has done something to truly hurt you (adultery, etc.), know that it takes time to heal, but that healing CAN happen. (We have friends in that situation.)
2. Pray that God makes you more holy, not just your spouse. You can probably use some adjustments, too. :)
3. Don't see yourself as the victim of everything. Take life by the horns and be intentional about bettering yourself, your walk with God, your marriage.
I would say to my friend: please read this post. :-)
no seriously.
and "God forgave you. And Nothing is too big for God. Even your anger and hurt. God CAN heal this too"
I have failed twice. And I thank God everyday for the blood of His son and I weep sometimes for how much of Christ's suffering I contributed to. Oh how much of His blood I have spilled.
But that is past. I am grateful and incredibly happy to have a Godly husband, and a new life IN CHRIST.
God can redeem any Person, any Situation, any Event. And if you don't believe it, fall on your knees and ask for forgiveness. There is nothing you or your spouse can do that God can not overcome. God is All Powerful. HE CAN FIX THIS.
I loved Fireproof and we have done the Bible Study too. I would say two things to my friend 1) Communication is key. Talk about everything and if it gets too heated. Take a break, process, and come back. 2) Stole this from Dr Phil. Your partner can't get mad at how you feel. They are your feelings but you must articulate them appropriately to your partner.
I am not anywhere near being married yet, but that was great!
Words from mom (for anything)- give it 3 days. Excluding life threatening situations I would say this would be true.
Form sis- My trust is in God not my hubs. Remember Who is to be your all in all and it ain't the guy you married. Get on your knees before the throne and weep to Him. Go to the throne BEFORE you go to the phone!
What a great post and topic. We've been married 29 years, and we have our "waves." But if I could say one thing it would be to agree to hang in there together--take out the option of divorce, and then, the only choice you have is to be happy, and that makes a lot of sense since you're stuck there anyway. Our love looks so different now than it did in the early years. It isn't always pretty, but it's one of the best tools I know to mold you into being less selfish and more Christ-like! Praying for our marriages as I close ~ Annette
WOW! This is my hearts cry. That people would realize that marriage is under attack and be proactive about protecting their own marriage.
I see it all around me. Affairs, no communication, child centered lives, fallen out of love, and selfishness. And all at the children's expense.
I've had my own marital problems in the early days. But by God's grace, we just hit our 13 year anniversary and are better than ever! Praise God!
I heard a statistic a while back that amazed me. After 5 years of being divorced, over 80% of the people surveyed said that they wished they were still married.
PRAY, PRAY, PRAY for marriages!
As a 2nd wife who has seen my husband and his children struggle with the after effects of his divorce, I would say please don't buy into the misconception that divorce is easier than fixing your marriage. Divorce is hard - hard on the couple and unbelievably difficult for the children. You may not even see the damage that is done to your children for years after the divorce, but I promise the damage is there. Divorce is expensive not only in a financial sense, but in an emotional and spiritual sense. You will lose a huge part of yourself in the process and your children will lose a sense of security and belonging. It takes a long time to heal and overcome the guilt the spouses feel for breaking up their family. If you think going through counseling in order to save your marriage is tough, let me assure you that going through divorce will be even tougher. Please seek out help - from a CHRISTIAN counselor or a Godly friend. Don't try to do this on your own. Don't give up just yet. Pour your heart out to God. I promise He hears you and He cares.
First of all, to Jenn from Tennessee, congrats! My hubby and I just celebrated 12 years on June 7, too.
I'm a first-born of 12 children, so being in charge is sort of a natural for me. Controlling would probably be a better word. Anyway, we were doing a Bible study at church called Wisdom for Mothers by Denise Glenn. God used her teaching on "wives submit to your husbands" to radically change me. I now enjoy not having to be in charge of everything. There is such peace in submitting to my loving husband.
That said, I do think there are some marriages where staying with the partner (i.e., abuse) are not be advised, and I'm only one person with one experience, but I have found true freedom in submitting to my husband. It is still a struggle, but it does get easier with every passing day.
I pray for all the Siestas out there who are in marriages that are rocky. May God take good care of you and show you His way to healing and peace.
Mary Lou Menning
Young America, MN
Amanda, I am so with you about "Fireproof". We didn't watch it until recently and loved it!! What a picture of what love really is.
I am perplexed right now, because some female christian leaders in my church (whom I have respected) have made some really bad choices concerning marriage. It is heart breaking to see. My thoughts are, "I am not close enough to say anything to them and I kinda think those things are private". Are those just excuses to not hold them accountable? I will pray about that. Thanks for bringing this up. It can be so sticky.
I would like to say that we have ridden some tsunamis and tidal waves throughout our marriage. God has been soooo faithful to rescue us from our destruction. One method he used was a wonderful bible study called, "Breaking Free" ;). We did it together, just the two of us. It glued us to one another in a way that was intimate and made us for each other. I think the world of my husband now. Couldn't always say that, but God is a God of miracles.
Love and thank you Moores!!
How timely! My husband and I will be married 15 years this July. 6 years into our marriage, we watched as our best friends' marriage fell apart before our eyes. We didn't know what to say, and watched as their two young childrens' lives were uprooted. More recently, a close friend of mine began having marital problems and asking for my advice. I hesitated in giving it for a few months, preferring instead to offer support and a listening ear. I prayed for wisdom in the situation and came to the conclusion that I could not sit passively by again. I gave her my honest opinion about divorce (for the record this was not an abusive situation). I strongly recommended that they find a counselor to help them and their children through a very difficult time. We invited them over for a couple's movie night and watched Fireproof. I tried to offer support and help where I could, but ultimately she "dumped" me as a friend. It has been a very painful situation for me, as I'm not sure I did the right thing. No marriage is perfect, all of them have their ups and downs.
I pray without ceasing prayers like "I trust you, Lord." "Change me Lord." "What would you teach me in this, Lord?" "You be all I need. You meet my every need, Lord Jesus." Over and over in my head.
Also, I devour anything from John and Stasi Eldredge. We need to try to understand our men and realize they have been hurt and that is why most of them act the way they do.
Dear Sweet Amanda,
I'm a big chicken I guess because I'm writing this in "anonymous mode".
If you look around you can see that our entire American culture is in rebellion mode about everything. It is always about what makes us "feel good and happy" and it even infects our "Christian" culture.
My marriage got hit in it's 2oth year with college age children. It got hit hard and all of our "until death do us part" and the oath we took before God was discarded by men who for a nice fee will rip you asunder.
So much I could tell you, but the most important is this - As a Christian there is no "I don't want to do this with you anymore"
Everyone can tell you that it's ok and God just wants you to love him and be happy - but the early Christians didn't think this way at all.
Read the early church fathers sometime - those that committed adultery on their spouses or whatever were not allowed to live in their sin and still have communion with the others.
Think of it this way - if someone is born with homosexual urges, that is not the sin...they would have to forsake the sin of indulging it in order to belong to the communion of fellow believers. The same with those who were unmarried and committing fornication...they would have to stop before they could be admitted to the communion of Christians.
Adultery and divorce happened. But the Christian would have to stop before he was allowed into the communion of Christians.
In other words, they took this command as what it was...a command...not a nice suggestion. It's scary because when we look at the group right after the apostle John died - they don't look very much like us in our church at all.
Grace was not cheap and all sin needed to be forsaken. If it meant being lonely and suffering it was offered up to Christ who suffered for us.
I look at everything differently now. Those early Christians knew the apostles and what they taught to be true. The marriage convenant was made plain by Christ and they never thought it was something to be ignored in favor or "being happy".
Sorry so long, but to the woodshed every Christian should go who thinks staying married to their spouse is optional. It is a command of Christ.
Love you and your heart filled with Christ. Bless you for your openess and honesty.
From one who lived in the woodshed..
Amanda, this is an excellent subject and I plan to read all the entries when everyone contributes. I have been married almost 28 years and I'm still learning all there is to living life with a man. Its not always easy. But here is one thing I'm learning to do (after 28 years you would think this is a no brainer)
LISTEN to the Holy Spirit and get rid of your pride! When you are mad, you need more than ever to go and sit with Jesus.
A fight is like a "reset" button. The Lord allows them to teach each of us certain lessons. Don't be concerned with whether or not your husband "gets it". The Holy Spirit has his own agenda with him. He also has an agenda with you. So be open and be humble.
I can personally attest - since just last week. The Holy Spirit is still teaching me, in fact MORE than ever in my life.
And here's a little pearl of wisdom. When I have learned to surrender my pride and let God go deep in me, you'd be surprised how many times my husband has come to me and told me how the LORD is working something I've been praying for in him. Not always, but many times.
A husband doesn't necessarily need to know his wife loves him, they assume that. But they REALLY need to know that you deeply respect him.
Heidi in Fayettteville, GA
Instead of praying only for God to change your husband, ask Him to change YOU, too! I learned this from Stormie Omartian in "The Power of a Praying Wife".
Thank you for posting this. I am writing to ask you all for your prayers. My husband is the minister to families at our fairly typical suburban church. He has been dealing with the blow up of a marriage this week. Without going into details, Please pray for God's wisdom and love to rain down on this couple and for His words and actions to come through my husband. These situations come about all too often, we must all guard our hearts and marriages.
At my bridal tea, I told my girls that asking them to be part of my wedding was giving them access to my marriage and they'd better say something if I was out of line.
I've lost two friendships for saying something I felt needed to be said after praying it through. One couple divorced, another is still together- that was worth the friendship.
I just heard of another Christian couple going through a divorce the other day and it made me sick and angry as I listened to the lame excuse. And I'm the image of the Creator- I can't imagine what He feels.
And lastly, we were told in our pre-marital counseling that there is a rougher time- the 7-10 year range, but I am starting to believe that it's a lie. Any year can be hard and there's no room to get lazy about one's marriage.
I've experienced divorce and seen it waved around as a threat to a dear friend of mine. It can look like an increasingly attractive option when you are miserable.
I'd say to my friends that the vast majority of the time, your misery is *not* caused by your spouse. If you are miserable, look to your own heart, your own dissatisfaction with your life and God, and your own junk. It's very easy to get caught up in the "his stuff is worse than mine" trap and do nothing about your own fears, insecurities and hang-ups. You can't change him, but you can let the Lord change you. To quote Stormie OMartian "Give him a new wife, Lord, and let it be me."
The Lord wants your heart. He wants your husband's too. And I'm more and more convinced that quite often God uses a woman's gentle and willing submission to Him to bring about obedience and submission in the husband. Let the Lord have access to your heart, open His healing word, rely on Him, and stick with it!
p.s. (There are some pretty heinous things out there, so when I say that he's not making you miserable, please know I'm talking about the regular ugly stuff, not the seriously sick things some people do to others.)
My 2 cents - Be determined and seek God! Only HE can meet your every need -
After 19 years of marriage - I have finally decided that I am determined to make it work - I had a revelation this spring when the Lord asked me if I was in it for the long haul....and if I was, then quit looking for every reason to run the other way, (be assured plenty can be found) ...since that time and the new committment I made to Christ of being faithful in my heart - no matter what, I have seen the Lord do a mighty work in my husband's heart and our marriage is slowly turning its ugly head to the ONE who can really make it work ! All Praise and Glory be HIS - We will make it to year 20 ! By the way - Happy Anniversary!
I heard a speaker say....marriages are not 50/50, they are 100/100!!
The movie, "the Runaway Bride" has a classic line in it (yes, I know it's a secular movie). "I guarantee there'll be tough times. I guarantee that at some point, one or both of us is going to want get out. But I also guarantee......that if I don't ask you to be mine, I'll regret it for the rest of my life. Because I know in my heart... you're the only one for me."
There are supposed to be rough waters in life, in marriage, in parenthood and in our careers. One of the worst lies the enemy tells us is that the Christian life is easy.....it is the most difficult life to live. It affects EVERY area of our life, so our spouses NEVER measure up, our children NEVER measure up, our neighbors NEVER measure up, our bosses NEVER measure up.....and we NEVER measure up to our expectations.
A "killer" of marriages is expectations! I am a neat freak....my husband is a "clutter king". I had to give this one to the Lord many years ago. I say SO much to the Lord when I am at home alone cleaning the house....cleaning up after my husband.
The single piece of advise I give anyone with marriage issues is.....I will pray for you. God has much more presence, power and healing than I do. And, of course, I send them to scripture, not doctrine mind you, but scripture. It answers questions and solves issues whether big or small.
Of all the things you said, I second that.. One huge thing that drives me to make sure my marriage will survive is because of my kids. I love my husband and just as you, I want to beat the statistics as of late in our world and refuse to allow divorce to even enter in to our journey of life. I want my marriage to work because I made the vow to God and my husband. I promised. But for my kids, I want to keep the promise too. My parents divorced when I was 16 and although I never had to do the every other weekend visiting thing, it was still hard not having my family all in the same house as it was growing up. AND I NEVER WANT MY CHILDREN TO HAVE TO WAKE UP WITHOUT BOTH MOMMY AND DADDY UNDER THE SAME ROOF. It breaks my heart to think that my little boy might say "Where's daddy" and tell him daddy doesn't live with us any more.
No matter the issues with my marriage that may come about, I will not let Satan destroy us!!
Not married...never have been...havent even dated in 17 years! Anyway, my entire church got together two weeks ago to watch the Fireproof movie (I watched it on my own and went to a One Thing worship event instead). Anyway, the Love Dare book is definately for married people, but my church asked me to head up a Love Dare group for singles...quite the challenge! So, I have a singles LD group in my home (altered for singles of course...we have to love too ya know). I thought I had this love thing down 'till this book...and trying to walk it out. I've failed at loving, but I suppose that's the beauty of it all! Even if you're single...get the book...there is a treasure of information in it for everyone!
The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds.
1 Corinthians 10:4 NIV.
One of my memory verses and I had to recite it and put it practice right away. When my husband and I had an argument, instead of fighting back with MY words,(the weapons of the world), I was quiet for once and called on Jesus, recited this verse, and IT WORKED!!!!
I like the comment about difficulties coming in waves. So True. Thank you for that word today.
Anyone struggling, I still do too but I try using the divine weapon, the Word of God and ask God how He wants to change and grow Me.
Love you all
I do get to talk to some people about their marriages. They are struggling so much. I have learned in the past two years that our marriages, in the church are a picture of Christ and His bride. If we show the world that they are not worth fighting for, then it could look as though Christ is not faithful to His bride. Scary, but helps me press on. There are some sermons called Christ Centered Relationships that are on this site that I burn and pass out. They help me so much to remember that Christ is everything. People I have given them to, also give them to others. It is not easy to press on, but the goal is showing Christ to the world and His faithfulness to us, even when we don't deserve. Praise God!!
Just scroll down through these sermons until you find them if you are interested.
http://www.cornerstonesimi.com/special/media_player.html
I divorced after 12 years of marriage and 2 children (age 3 and 5). My ex-husband was an alcoholic, but I was an enabler and was to blame as well. After 10 years of raising my 2 sons singlehandedly, I met a wonderful man, who was divorced with 2 sons. We married 6 years ago this July. While I am so blessed with him in my life, it is hard sometimes. Especially with ex-spouses and step-children! But, with God's help and a Christan counselor's help (we have been seeing her since before we agreed to marry!), we will make it! I love him so much and truly believe he loves me. I would not wish divorce on my worst enemy - it is painful, demoralizing and burdensome. I hope and pray that anyone reading this will seek God's help and a counselor's help to keep your marriage together - do not let that house burn down!
I can do all things through Christ who strengthen's me. Phil 4:13
"Unless the LORD builds the house, they labor in vain that build it..." Psalm 127:1
My husband and I both have failed marriages in our pasts. God has been gracious and merciful to us in allowing us to be together! We have this scripture reference inscribed inside our wedding rings and the verse hangs on our mantle. It's a constant reminder to us that unless we let God be first & foremost in our marriage, we're going to fail.
My advice to ladies in marriage crisis would be to seek the counsel of a good pastor for assistance and look ahead...the remorse I still struggle with sometimes is not worth it!
Funny you should write this post this morning. My husband and I are approaching 15 years and had a bad fight last night. I was in the wrong...time to swallow my pride and apologize. Ouch Anyway, we have had friends divorce and nothing I said seemed to help. Their decision had already been made at that point. If I had the opprotunity I would tell them what has helped my marriage and that is to make "rules" for fighting in advance when no one is upset. One rule might be to NEVER mention divorce in the heat of an argument. Another is to NEVER fight in front of the kids. Choosing not to fight in front of the kids means that we have to "put off" the argument until we have some privacy which usually gives us both some time to pray first.
Five years ago I had an affair on my husband. When I finally told our small group and our close circle of Christian friends. They were awesome! They cried with us, they laid hands on us and prayed for our marriage daily.
Over five years later our marriage is in tact and strong - due to lots of prayers of faithful friends and my husband and I relying on God all the way for everything.
Thanks for this post, Amanda. For several years now my husband and I have been going around in circles with our "issues." Occasionally we would get relief from the pain, but never release from the problem. Recently I cried out to God to get us off this destructive path. He answered with Jer 15:18-19 where the prophet cries out "Why is my pain unending and my wound incurable?" God answers by asking him to repent and then (this part slays me) "speak worthy not worthless words..." Ouch. My words toward my husband have been killing our relationship. And my complaints about him to my girlfriends have emboldened my mouthy flesh. I see now that healing will come when I speak out honorable words. I have asked the Lord to let me see the worth in my husband that He sees and to give me humility to speak it. As I begin to do this, my feelings don't always match up with the worthy words, but I'm speaking truth so eventually my feelings will follow. For the first time I have real hope.
Helen
VA
Oh Amanda, this post is so for me. My husband and I seem to be in a slump. We celebrated 16 years in May and feel so distant from each other. We have gone through so many storms in our married lives that I can't imagine my life without him but at the same time he has caused me so much pain and heart break that I have a hard time being open, honest and compassionate towards him, much less submissive. I have tried and just can't bring myself to it. We go through our day to day lives as normal but we hardly ever have time for "us". He works two jobs, I work, we have two kids and are constantly on the go. We sleep in separate rooms due to his sleep apneia. I'm talking major sleep disorder. He is so loud and extremely restless. There are days when I just want to throw my hands up and say it's over but then I think about all the good times we have had and all the struggles we have come through and I don't want to throw all that away. This is my second marriage and it is so much better than my first. I am thankful for that. I miss our time together and I want to be the kind of wife I am suppose to be. I have prayed and prayed and prayed and I have tried to be close with him but then that ugly past creeps back in and I can't. We have talked about watching Fire Proof but haven't yet...we have no time for us to do so. This post gives me encouragement and hope that we will get our act together and can be a couple again. Thank you and God Bless.
Amanda - love this post. Please take a look at my blog and the post called "Celebrating Marriage." I just celebrated my 7th wedding anniversary and those 7 years have been tremendously difficult. But God never fails!!
Although I agree that things happen in waves, or seasons, my advice would be not to fall into the trap of telling yourself it's okay to just "wait it out!" Eventually you start to believe the lie that it will just work itself out and you, and your spouse, get complacent, or worse. It is a fact, and no marriage is sheltered, that if you feel neglected, unloved, unrespected (is that a word), etc., you will drift from your spouse. And if Satan decides to bring along that "other thing" whether it be another man or woman, pornography, even replacing your children for your spouse, you may fall prey to losing your spouse forever to one of those things.
It takes constance work and awareness. Yes you are in the middle of a wave, or a season, but what do you (not your spouse) need to be doing during this time to make your marriage stronger (not to just help it survive until this time is over)? There are things you can do, and should do, and I guarantee you probably even know what those things are. So do them! Do not delay! And as for what your spouse should be doing? Just pray and pray and pray that the Holy Spirit will convict his or her heart of it.
Nicole
Wow! Yes! My sister-in-law and brother-in-law have been struggling. We've given them advice (we feel so inadequate), tried with all of our might to direct them to the word and to counseling, but as much as she wants to, he WON'T!! My husband has taken him to the shed, but to no avail. He needs GOD! He needs an ENCOUNTER!! What more can we do? When do you (I) advise her that sometimes it may require tough love? When is an ultimatum ok? I DON'T KNOW! I'm sooo inadequate. Oh, how I pray there was a good christian counselor in this rural area. I'm just not equipped and I don't want to be blamed for an ultimatum that led to divorce. We've watched Fireproof and did the Love Dare. It was great for us, but his brother wouldn't read it. Please pray for wisdom. Now, we've kind of checked out, because at what point is it their responsibility to take this on vs. me?
My husband and I are going to be married 7 years in August! I still can't believe that we have made it this far. I have told friends that marriage is not about love but about commitment. Commitment to your spouse and to God. My husband and I have always said that divorice is not an option. Thank you so much for reminding me why I fight for my marriage and why I get on my knees for him and me.
I also enjoyed Love and Respect. I don't rremember the author but I thought it was very helpful.
AC
Wow, what an important subject. My husband and I have been married almost 25 years. So... the best advice I could give is that it takes 3 , Christ, my spouse and myself to make a marriage work. And remember your spouse is human and not God, so lean on your Creator, tell Him your troubles when your spouse just isn't able to handle the weight, please turn your troubles over to the King of Kings! He really cares!
As a single, I found this still to beo great. Thanks for posting Amanda. I agree, Fireproof was an awesome movie and it's for everyone, not just those who are married!
My, my...excellent thoughts, Amanda. I'm coming up on my 26th anniversary and I have to say that I also agree with your mom. You have to take the waves as they come, because if you try to look beyond them or ignore them, they will most certainly take you under. You have to work through and master each one.
My other thought is that both husband and wife have to - HAVE TO - put the others' needs before their own. If you are always thinking only of yourself, you will quickly be two separate people living under the same roof wondering what in the world you have in common anymore. It's when you're both "other-minded" that the "ties that bind" stay secure.
Finally, a word about "intervention". I've told a few friends that if they ever see a problem in me or my relationships, they have permission to take me to the woodshed! However, if you are the one intervening, and the person to whom the intervention is directed is mired in deception and sin, be sure to follow a biblical approach and SPEAK THE TRUTH IN LOVE. If you don't, you'll run the risk of turning that person away from, not only their spouse, but from God, as well.
Bless you sweet girl,
Melinda
I am going through that EXACT situation right now. As I type this, my husband's best friend's overnight bag is sitting behind me. He and his wife have decided to divorce and he's staying with us until she packs up and heads out on Monday.
I was one of those friends who tried the "woodshed" method. It didn't work at all, and now they've decided to "up" the trial separation into full-fledged legal divorce.
The difficulty in the "woodshed" method is that these friends are Mormons, so they don't know Jesus - at least, not the TRUE Jesus. (For Mormons, Jesus isn't God. He's just a human, who was kind of "inspired" by God, but not actually God himself.) So, telling her that no matter what, her husband, as a human will always disappoint her (whose husband doesn't disappoint every once in a while?!), but that Jesus is the only one - because He's GOD! - who will never disappoint. I tried to convey - as lovingly and truthfully as possible - that Jesus is the only one who will never disappoint us, and that we need to cling to HIM in times like this. I was called all sorts of names for trying to speak the truth, and she's not speaking to me or anyone of our friends right now.
Even so, I know the truth. I shared with her the verse my husband and I used at our wedding. I know everybody loves the Corinthians "Love Chapter" but that wasn't what we wanted to be reminded of on that day. We chose Psalm 33:22 "May your unfailing love rest upon us, O LORD, even as we put our hope in you." Even back then - 6 years ago now - God revealed to me that there was no way we'd ever make it if we were counting on each other. Thanks be to God that we can ALWAYS count on Him!
Precious Amanda,
Thank you for having compassion on those of us who have failed marriages. Even the most loving, knowledgeable Pastors/Teachers/Speakers often refer to their audience as if everyone listening is married. It is like a knife in our hearts.
My Christian husband of 32 years left me over 5 years ago for a woman who set her sites on him - they met in Church choir. I was not an awful wife, but I was busy doing good things. Once I realized how bad things were I did everything God asked me to do, but it was not enough for my husband. God gave me the best of all gifts - immediate forgiveness for all. I never went to drugs, alcohol or sex - God allowed me to stay strong in His Word and constant prayer. I would not wish the agony of divorce on the most vile human, but I would not take for HOW I KNOW JESUS and His love and comfort. This is not an advertisement for divorce just that HE IS WITH US AND WILL NEVER LEAVE US. I thought I knew Him before this crisis - I know Him better now and long for Him more daily. I am so grateful for great marriages - I pray every marriage could be great. Wives don't let good take the place of great - love your husbands! Yet at times even though God has graced me with a beautiful loving daughter, son-in-law, grandchildren and TRUE, LOVING FRIENDS OF ALL AGES, I get lonely at times. I am so blessed that the men I know have not chosen me as a target, and their wives are not afraid of me. I am the biggest cheerleader for them as I know many divorced women are. Please love us as we are and be grateful you are not in this life. I try not to think of it - I try to stay focused but every once in a while the enemy sneaks in and I feel pain - but when I get the right focus back, I know HIS PLAN FOR ME is best. Though I am 59 years old, if HE has someone for me, HE will bring him in the perfect timing. Thank you for allowing me to share - it is somewhat theraputic and thank you for your compassion for all of us. It is a couples world and it is hard for singles of all ages, but our God knows best and HE will show us the path if we seek Him.
As someone who went straight from their parents' house to marriage, I would say the amount of adult responsibilities that you assume all at once can be overwhelming, especially in the beginning. Living day to day is different than courtship and dating. Work, bills, routine household tasks, & eventually/possibly being responsible for children. Somedays you say I didn't sign up for this. You long for days gone by. The you come to peace(hopefully) with the reality that most people's life is like this, instead ot trying to put on a pretense that you have got it all together. True fellowship with other women helps.
3 weeks ago our ladies had a Women's Retreat. We prayed, talked, watched Beth's video on Love and rejection,cried and prayed some more. I was the oldest lady there and I have been married 43 yrs. I said that there are times in a marrige that aren't fun but you didn't marry for all the fun times .You married for all times and sometimes it seems there are more ugly times than fun times and you just need to hold on ,ask for prayer from your Siestas, and the fun times will return.
We had one young lady that blamed everything wrong with her marrige on her husband;however, as we listened we realized that she was taking no blame for anything and she never stopped critizing him and this was also done anytime that she was in church.He claims to be a Christian but has lost his way at this time. Saying all of this,last Sunday she went forward to pray and then she stood and aked the church as a whole to forgive her for all the Slandering that she had done to her husband and that she couldn't expect him to change if she wasn't loving him unconditionally. We were so proud of her because at this time her husband has left her and their little girl and still she stood and admitted her wrong and asked for forgiveness.
Marriage is not a easy JOB but God knew it would not be so He made sure that we had a place to run to and ask for help through our Saviour and the Holy Spirit so many times we forget that and Quit and we need to ride the waves out and it will be ok.
Love in Christ,
Glenda
Wonderful, Amanda! We have made it over 22 years! Marriage is the hardest thing I've ever encountered, but so worth it. My parents were divorced when I was a little girl, so I have been determined in my heart that divorce isn't an option. I want my girls to know stability. I want them to have a mommy and daddy that stay together forever. Every little child needs and deserves that. Your mother's openness about her marriage has really helped me through the years. She was brave enough to admit her marriage had not been perfect, and that her husband wasn't "deacon" material,etc ... and that was okay. I love when she shares her struggles, because it lets you know you are normal!
One little thing the Lord showed me years ago was that ... I don't always have to say what I think when I think it. I don't have to fight my battles ... I can be quiet and let the Lord fight for me. In other words, the more I talk, the worse things can get. Stay quiet during tense times, and pray.
I saw Fireproof on opening night! We love all the Sherwood Baptist movies! Our media minister even helped work on the movie, his name was listed in the credits (Jaime Halfast), and we saw the movie on opening night with their family. So, we were pumped!! And I was thrilled and honored to write a movie review for it. I highly recommend it!
Shelli L
Fort Worth, Texas
Sitting here bawling. Two weeks ago our youth pastor admitted to having an affair with a 20 year old youth member. Left his wife and 4 kids to live locally with the girl. I just don't get it. What was he thinking!!!! If I had known I would have taken them to woodshed myself. Satan will seek and destroy and those in the ministry have a target as a big bull's eye. So much damage to their family, our church, our church staff, our youth, our friendships, and trust. That is the biggie I am facing... trust. When we first did the scripture index cards for Beth's memorization I did Philippians 4:8. It had been my sword these past two weeks or I would have concentrated on all the hurt I could do to him and the girl. We have to use our swords.
Praying for y'all on this one - as a single woman (never been married) I'm sure I could say something, but will recuse myself from the process. Shout out to the single ladies!
Anonymous in Houston, TX
Sadly, I think most of us sit idly by when our friends' marriages struggle. Well, maybe not completely idle - we talk about it at home to our own spouse, discussing what they SHOULD do, and of course what WE would do (yeah right). I think it's a "mind-your-own-business" mentality that we have. I wish (especially within the body of believers) that we would have strong enough relationships to "get in other people's business" (as Beth once put it - LPL New Orleans) and help each other out! I currently have only two friends whose marriage I would feel comfortable intervening in. Two. I have plenty of other friends, just none that I think would take the constructive criticism as constructive.
I HIGHLY recommend the Fireproof movie! Our small group also did the 6 week study. WONDERFUL. Lives were changed through that study!
P.S. I've also been given the good counsel that love is a verb - an action and a choice. FEELING passionate, or, heck, even loving (or liking on the really rough days) comes and goes, but our job as spouses is to continue to choose to ACT with love, no matter what circumstances arise. Again, we can only do that through an outpouring of Christ's love in us.
P.P.S. Thanks for letting me use this comment section in a way I can't use my own blog right now. :)
You are on fire with that post girl! GReat stuff.
Last summer I was heart broken. My best friend in the whole world had just been left a note by her husband that it was over. I was one week shy of giving birth and I couldn't be there by her side (she was out of town) and it killed me. I could barely be there emotionally after everything continued to unravel because I was caring for a newborn and a 2 1/2 year old. All I could do was be there on the phone and listen. She is such a wonderful place now and I'm sure she couldn't see the bright light she would be now, back them. Your mom is right...ride the wave.
I also struggle with how much to say to a friend that is unemployed and has been for a long time. How far do we go to say something? Do we say, why are you spending money on that..or do we just be a friend? I worry about her out of genuine concern, but don't know all her business.
Oh, my word, Amanda, I’m seeing this firsthand in other's relationships and have been there before. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, and therefore, your words were not discouraging one single bit. But they were uplifting and encouraging. Being on both sides of this coin, I would say that the biggest obstacle to success in marriage is our own selfishness and pride, lack of seeking direction from God’s word and living out His truth in our actions. I know that the failures I’ve had in the past were because I was too stubborn to break out of my pride and humble myself before God and my spouse. I know the successes that have come in my current marriage are by the grace of God, His living and active word, accountability from prayer partners and bible study sisters and the Spirit igniting selflessness and sacrifice in my heart for my spouse. I, like you and Curtis, have had rebelliousness about Fireproof. I don’t know if it’s all the hype surrounding it or what, but it sounds like I better get over it and go rent the thing! Thank you for your thoughtfulness and call to stand for our marriages when so many are failing around us.
Love, Amy in OK
Great post and very relevant in todays world. I have been married for 23 years to my best friend in the whole wide world. When we married we were not Christians but through Gods grace I became a believer and Jim followed soon after. I can't even imagine being successful in marriage without the Lord. For us the biggest thing God has taught us in our marriage (we're in our late 40's) is forgiveness. Without understanding the principle of forgiveness I think most marriages wither and die because no one wants to be the first to say I'm sorry, I screwed up please forgive me. We have been blessed in ways unimaginable and I know it's because as imperfect as we are we try to do things God's way and when we fail we humble ourselves and say sorry (sometimes it takes a day or two to reach this point but we eventually do). So many of our friends marriages ended when we reached 40 - there is some truth to this mid life crisis nonsense. Who knows where we would have ended but because we have the Lord in our life we have a different perspective on marriage and how it works. You can't trade up and think someone newer, younger and sexier is going to fill that void inside you, that's for God to fill. In today's world we need all the help we can get from the Lord to keep us on the right track. Our friends whose marriages crumbled really had to faith at all, no moral compass to direct them and Jim and I have watched many families be ripped apart. Marriage really is a 3 way relationship.
Well said, Amanda.
(And I totally get the rebellious thing. You're singing my song. It's why I've not read The Shack, seen The Passion movie, or this one. And thanks for the woodshed words of pride stealing a blessing--I needed that!)
Have to say, I know so many people whose marriages are on the rocks. Get a new email almost every day, it seems.
And having been one of those people who planned to divorce, but never did (why? who knows? totally a God thing!), I will say that the greatest thing you can do is speak the truth and pray.
If we really understood the power of prayer, I think we'd all pray a lot more!
Much love,
Joanne
P.S. Makes me think too of Living Beyond Yourself--with the power of the Holy Spirit we can feel things we couldn't!
Amanda:
I am not married but I have had the worst luck with marriage. A lot fo my own doing and alot on His too! But, I wish the movie fireproof would have been out there when I was going through it.
I watched that movie last week and cried all the way through. I lived that life addictions, attractions etc. screaming, yelling as so on. But if I would have given it to God and did the love dare, who knows maybe things would have been different. I loved the movie and I will get the book and the movie and hope that if God will bless me with a Godly man in my life, we will have the tools we need to make it work. Starting with giving it to Him first.
Thanks for your post and letting me share. May God bless all those who are married!
Lichelle
One thought that satan keeps putting in my mind is "did I marry the right one?"
I know my place now is to stay married to him (it's been 21 yrs) but whenever we fight or it seems like we just don't have fun together like other couples, I think 'why couldn't I have married my 'best friend'. I want to have a good marriage, not just a 'put up with each other marriage'
When we married, we definitely didn't go about it in the right way. So sometimes the regret is so big, I wish I could start over.
But then there are times I don't know what I'd do without him. I know I love him but I want to laugh and communicate and enjoy each other like other couples.
I also got the love dare book and tried it one day and something happened that night and I failed to not say anything negative, so I haven't picked it up again yet.
Love the comments of all the siestas. I cried.
Maybe my comment is not what you're asking, Amanda, but it brought to mind the question about marrying God's best. What if there was someone better for me?
Thanks for your post.
Needed it
I still a bit of a newlywed and have been blessed with a great marriage so far.
However, my parents had a terrible marriage which produced two very messed up children. There was emotional abuse, pornography, cheating, lying, ect. My mom is a Christian but was an enabler for my dad and does not believe in divorce at all.
In recent years my dad has started living for Jesus and calling him Savior. PRAISE YOU, LORD!!! He is now the most amazing husband and I finally have a Daddy. A real, flesh and blood Daddy. Our family has never been happier.
My grandmother (his mother) never gave up on praying for him. I can't even imagine the joy she experienced the day he walked into church with mom- and now to see him become the man God intends him to be.
I hope that is encouraging to anyone in an abusive situation.
Blessings!
Thank you so much for this subject. Again in my heart I pray that a study from maybe Beth and you girls would blossom regarding marriage. It seems that this is the number one concern on women’s hearts whether they are single or married. And rightly so.. it is born into us as soon as we see the relationship of our parents. We want to have the complete love.. that is why the relationship between a father and daughter is so important. When I found out that I was pregnant I felt so alone and distant from my husband. I realized that I was depending on him to meet my every emotional need. I needed to learn that God is the only one who can provide me with EVERY need. Reading The Power of a Praying Wife by Stormie Omartian really helped me to think less of myself and more of God’s desire for my husband, leading me to understand why he was acting the way he was and bringing me to my knees asking for God to use me to better my husband. Now with a 7 month old daughter, I hope that my husband and I can be a good example of what a true marriage reflects. Or at least I can teach her the ways of a godly wife.
Anyway, thanks for your honesty and insight into your struggles and experiences as a young wife and mother. Congratulations on your Anniversary and may God grant you many more years of blessings and praise as a wife and mother. I am sure he will!
Christina from Pittsburgh, PA
I would say, "Hang in there. Don't allow giving up to be an option. You CAN get through this. Will it be easy? Heck no! But is it possible? All things are, with God. And is it worth it? A million times YES!"
My husband and I barely made it through our third year of marriage...and our fourth year...and part of our 6th, 7th and 8th years. We've had a rough time.
But I am not exaggerating or painting a pretty (but fake) picture when I say that I love that man more than I ever thought possible. And he has become SUCH a better husband...and, let's be honest here...I've become SUCH a better wife.
We're not so far out from the troubled times that they're just a fuzzy memory. We just celebrated our 10th anniversary, and we still have MAJOR trust issues. But we have major love, too.
Fight for it. Or if you don't have the strength to fight anymore, just stay. Stand there. God will hold you up.
As for your question, Amanda, about what Christian friends should do for each other when a marriage is in trouble - wow, that's a hard one! We didn't really have friends who stepped in appropriately or helpfully when we were going through tough times. And honestly, the two couples (two of our best couple friends) we tried to help - both got divorced. This is a hard question, and I don't know what the right answer is.
May I share my testimony with you? I feel like giving the gates of hell a dose of the Lord's "overcoming power" today.
We have experienced EVERY form of assault the enemy could throw at our marriage. Infidelity, financial ruin, problems with teenagers, loss of a home, illness...you name it, we've probably gone through it. At one point (after a devastating season of sin, the likes of which Hollywood couldn't even dream up)it looked like it was over. And it would have certainly been one of those "mercy" divorces...you know, "if there was ever a couple that would be better off divorced, it would be them" kind of thing we only say in private.
For some unexplainable reason we didn't pull that trigger. By 'unexplainable' I mean at that time. Now on the other side it's clear what the reason was.
We hung on. For DEAR LIFE.
It was ugly. It was messy. It was painful beyond words.
BUT IT WAS WORTH IT.
We have been married for 22 years. We are walking miracles, witnesses to the Awesome Redeeming Work of Jesus Christ and His love that "constraineth" (2 Cor. 5:14). He kept us from walking away from each other, He kept us from killing each other, and the greatest miracle (to me) is that now He is USING US. My husband and I have gone into ministry to testify that NO ONE, NO MARRIAGE, NO FAMILY IS BEYOND THE RESCUE OF CHRIST.
I don't know if anyone will read this. But if anyone does, and you are struggling with anything, in marriage or out of marriage, don't give up. DON'T GIVE UP. NOTHING IS BEYOND THE REACH OF JESUS. NOTHING.
"I am the LORD, the God of all mankind. Is anything too hard for me?" Jeremiah 32:27
This has been a burden on my heart lately also. Several marriages in our church, marriages of 15, 20 years or more, are now in flames. It is scary! And the scariest part is that most of the time it was kept all hush-hush until the couple is separated and seeing attorneys. I understand how gossip spreads in churches, but those of us who pray don't know to pray if no one says anything! I had a crisis in my own marriage about 8 years ago. I was doing Ann Graham Lots' (sp?) study on Revelation with my ladies bible study group at church and also doing Believing God on-line. I had seriously decided that I was going to call it quits when God spoke to me that I needed to quit praying for my husband to change, and pray for my attitude to change. Shortly after that we were able to go to Hawaii for our 20th anniversary and God miraculously healed our marriage. I can honestly say that our marriage is stronger now than ever before, even though things have not always been easy. We've had our share of stressors. Our pastor-emeritus used to always say, "If you do right, you'll eventually feel right." And it's so true! Even when you don't feel like praying for your spouse or serving him or biting your tongue when he snaps at you, if you just do it, your feelings can change dramatically!
Praising Him,
Kathy W, Mansfield, TX
there is an enemy. but it is not your husband.
Oh my, this is certainly one topic with which I've had some major experience. My husband and I are closing in on our seventh anniversary; however, I can promise you we have only been truly "married" and a "team" for the past 18 months or so. Sad but very, very true.
We both did some absolutely awful things to each other for the first 5 years and, at one time, had nothing but hatred and contempt for each other. That's when God did the coolest thing. Through us actually separating for what I thought at the time was the LAST time, we began to really see each other as the person we fell in love with.
And we also couldn't remember all of the supposed character flaws we'd accused each other of through the years. All we could remember were the good, happy times and - within a matter of weeks - realized we simply couldn't live without each other.
Are we always happy? No. Do we still fight? Yes. Absolutely. Sometimes rather randomly and a little too hard. But you know what? Now that we have invited Him into our relationship and have begun attending church again and getting involved with our church family, we simply can't stay mad at each other for long. Believe me, we've tried at times, but we just can't do it.
There were many, many who told us to give it up and move on. That we were destructive to each other. That our daughter was paying too high a price watching us fight and split only to get back together and do it again. But in the darkness of many of those nights, I heard the Lord say that he would bring my man back to me. I didn't know how and knew that it would only be by divine intervention and, you know what? I was right.
He is the only one who could have saved my marriage and I thank Him every single day for this blessing.
As for what I would say to others who find their friends in this situation? Don't abandon them but know that sometimes the most significant changes in a relationship DO happen when those two people are left alone with the Father.
Once we had behaved so badly that our friends simply didn't want to be a part of it day in and day out, we were free of the distractions keeping us from fixing the problem.
Amanda,
One of my favorite post yet! God has laid on my heart families and marriages for some time now. My husband and I now teach a Homebuilders Class at our church and WOW...the growth and how Philippians 1:6 holds true..."he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus." I am so blessed I'm not a finished product! Oh how I don't want to stay the same. You can't go with Christ and stay the same..I own a copy of Fireproof and took my husband on his birthday to see it the day it came out. I have also posted several things on my blog about it and even wrote Alex Kendrick from Sherwood Baptist and was amazed how he took time to write back thanking me for promoting such a awesome movie.. By the way they did awesome on 2 other movies if anyone was interested. (Flywheel and Facing the Giants) We own those too!! Satan is alive and thriving and he is starting with our families. Our husbands--> then to us as wives-->to our children--->and finally even into our churches..I am right there with you when you say you would hope someone would take you out by the woodshed (you cracked me up because I thought We only said that here in TN ha ha) Another thing the fight on your movie..My husband and I have been married about 7 1/2 years and we cracked up the other day over our fight about pancakes!! I did the Love Dare and WOW..I can testify to everyone doing that with an open heart and seeing God's hand in and for our marriage and how HE truly loves us. Sorry so long this is my subject..Thanks for this one.
In HIS service,
April Lyon
www.lyonsden4.blogspot.com
"...you just need to get over it because your pride is stealing a blessing from you."
I love that!! I bought that study way back when the movie came out and have not even taken it out of the packaging. Why? Pride. It's time I gave that up to collect my blessing. Thanks Amanda
Amanda, such wisdom from one so young is just proof of God's work in your life. I have been married for 34 years myself and I would say as your mother says that marriage is "dang hard". But worth every bit of the work. My advice would be to always remember that divorce is no option, that marriage takes a lot of giving, and that you have to trust Christ with all the problems that come up. God is always faithful when we seek His help and seek it we must to keep our marriages intact and bringing glory to Him. I think it's the same as most situations in that self must be put aside and Christ must be put to the front. Thanks so much for your wisdom and especially for your honesty in sharing about your own marriage.
Good post Amanda. I am married for the second time due to a divorce the first time. So many things done wrong since the divorce. I am now married to an unsaved man, praying like mad for his salvation, would appreciate everyone's prayers. While the marriage is "ok", it isn't great.
Now my daughter is going to go through a divorce after 14 years of marriage. It is like living a bad dream as it is the same reason, another woman. While I know no marriage falls apart (normally) because of just one person, this is so painful to walk through this again with her. My son-in-law is also unsaved....see
a pattern here???? BUT GOD!!!!!!
He can repair ALL things and we are believing just that. For salvation for both men and for my marriage to get better and hers to be restored. There are 3 precious children involved in her seperation. Praise God, two accepted Christ last year and got baptized. The younger one we hope and pray will accept Christ this year and get baptized. She is still young.....only 6. But the middle one accepted Christ at 7, so this is the year for our little girl.
I will pray for couples and restoration as I KNOW Satan is on the prowl.
Blessings to all of you at LPM!!!
Bible Bunny in NO MI
Great post. Great way to address this important issue. Great movie! It helped my marriage a lot!
Sue and others out there- I can say that I have been there. We have been married 12 years and have had major marital conflict and struggles. We went to Christian Counseling for 2 years, one of those my husband went alone. Things are still not perfect but we are both walking closer with the Lord now and things are gradually getting better and better. I am doing Beth's Esther study right now, and God has used it to reveal to me that I have a huge tree (not root) of bitterness toward my husband and our past difficulties. This whole week- (week 3) of the study has spoken directly to my heart on this. Anyway, sort of a ramble but just to encourage you in difficult marriages, please hang on, God can work a miracle. He has in my marriage. One thing Beth says in the study is that you can force a man's ear but not his hand- I have given my issues with my husband to God and am trusting him to take care of it so I can focus on my own issues. We can make it!! I will pray for you Sue!!
I was saved as a teenager, and then proceeded to run my life (almost into the ground). I married and divorced twice, had 2 abortions, and then decided since I was not doing a very good job of it, I would turn my life back over to the Lord. I am now in a marriage with an amazing Christian man (20 years in July!) - one of our rules is the word divorce was removed from our vocabulary. It is never an option, no matter what happens. I have 2 loving step-daughters (God's grace again) and 3 grandchildren that are the delight of my heart. If I can be redeemed, anyone can be redeemed. Yes, marriage can be hard at times, but there is nothing more worthy of your time, energy and prayers.
Hi, Amanda. I thought your words were great and truly inspired by God. I have been married 13 1/2 years. I married quite young, before I was 18.
When I met my husband, I was blinded by love. He was my first everything, my first love, my first kiss, everything. I was so in love with him that I couldn't breathe if he wasn't next to me.
I have found, to my shame, that as the years go by my feelings are different. I still love my husband very much, but not in the same way.
Sometimes I find myself getting frustrated and irritated with him over things I used to find so great about him. I think we have both changed in so many ways from when we first met.
I appreciate what you wrote. It made think that I should stop feeling ashamed of the way I do or don't feel and hiding in a corner. I should expose my feelings to God and let Him help me work with my husband to make sure our marriage stays strong. Thank you for your words and Bible reference. Somehow, I feel better now than I did a little while ago.
Love to you all.
Melissa
I would say/have said that in most instances, "Divorce is a permanent solution to a temporary problem." (Even though temporary can sometimes feel never ending.)
My heart just breaks for Sue & Kevin, the anonymous post Amanda, thank you for being honest about how you felt about the movie and the Love Dare. So many times I have "rebelled" on reading books or going to movies because everyone was pushing it. I'm glad I saw Fireproof early on and took the Love Dare.
One thing to remember, no matter what resource you use, when you try to bring your marriage under God's will, Satan will attack, no matter how strong a marriage you have. We celebrated 23 years this month (another June bride) and the first night I started reading Love Dare, I was faced with information that could have split my marriage. If not for the first day's dare, I would have thrown in the towel, but I waited and gave it to God and let God do the healing.
I say, ride the wave, get your mind off yourself and your hurt feelings, PICTURE THE FUTURE, WHAT WOULD IT ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE, (like I tell my kids--think of the consequences of an action BEFORE deciding to go with it) IF YOU DECIDED TO JUMP OFF THE WAVE-split time with the kids, holidays would be changed, changes in lifestle, it goes on and on.....
We've all been there with you Amanda. Arguments over really stupid things! I have to say in our marriage, I am usually the 'problem' and my husband is the patient and loving one. I used to be sooooo moody- stemming from a long bout with depression- but moody none the less. When I became obedient to the Lord in forgiving the one who abused me...my whole life changed. HAllalujah!!!!
I can remember times when my friend Deb would say, "hang in there and give it 2 weeks, you'll like him again......." I laugh but that is so true.
I too would like to be taken to the woodshed. My brother-in-law tried a stunt a bout a year ago and some dear friends called him on it---he repented and is now back with his wife, never to be the same.
Thanks for posting this. My husband (of 3 years) and I are going through a rough patch. He came home from a men's retreat last February and admitted to an affair that had happened 6 months before. I am amazed at how God has orchestrated events since that day. I'm usually a loud mouth about my life and feelings, but God was able to lasso my tongue and I prayed for wisdom on who to talk to. I'm going to an amazing women's group and my husband is opening his heart to the Lord for the first time in a long time. It's tough and I hate it, but our marriage is worth it to me. It's worth the struggle and pain. It's worth experiencing incredible blessing from God alone. These days marriage is on the back burner and everything else takes center stage. It's easy to toss it out the window and move on. I praise God that He held me back and spoke sweet words of comfort and forgiveness to me, then encouraged me to do the same for my husband. We are doing so much better. Talking. Hurting. Laughing. Growing. Praying. It's worth the fight. It really is.
Ephesians 5 packs a punch, doesn't it? Well, I just did give advice to an acquaintance who asked for some. She and her husband have 8 kids. She has been going to a Christian counselor and that counselor told her to have her husband leave. I didn't think that was right. It gives him the "easy way out". What guy wouldn't want to be left to himself to watch T.V. whenever he wanted to without any responsibility in helping with the kids or in working on the marriage while he's in it? He'll love that kind of freedom. Where is the term "separation" in the Bible? I don't see it but I do see that God hates divorce. Everyone has rough spots in their marriages. But what God keeps teaching me is that I am a selfish person and I need to keep going back to the Lord and keep begging Him to change me to be the kind of wife my husband needs me to be. In this country today, it is so accepted that the wife is domineering and controling of her husband. We don't let them lead. And when they do, we want to change that and not be submissive. It's so easy to fall for that kind of sin. Let's all take the "high road" which is also the hard road and trust in the Lord for everything, not just the easy things. I need this advice too...every day!
Amanda-it's so interesting that you wrote this today. My husband and I have been praying for several different couples in our lives that have marriages that are on the rocks, when the actual problem in every single one of them is that they are not depending on the One True Rock. We are very much aware of the enemy's attack on them and are daily praying against it. We are praying scriptures (breathing out God's breath, according to your mom!) and renouncing satan for them. In one particular instance, I am constantly texting scripture and forwarding e-mails to my sweet sister who has lost all hope. Each and every time she has responded with appreciation and seems to be encouraged. She has had an uncommonly horrific year with the sudden loss of her mother (who was her absolute best friend) and now the unceasing pressure of a failing marriage. I have even, at times, had to be fairly upfront and honest with her about what I see wrong, but ONLY when she asked. She was surprisingly receptive when I told her that they were both letting their pride spoil their blessing of happiness and joy and that they both needed to suck it up, get over it and their resentment, and move on in Christ. They are now in counseling and we are Believing God to heal them and ressurect their marriage. That's all I think most people need, is for at least one dear friend to show them that even if they can't see past the struggles, that someone else can and is willing to believe God for them.
Thank you so much for your topic today. The enemy is without a doubt attacking marriages all over the place and it is critical for all of His children to be armed and dangerous in his sight with God's Word and promises in mind and on our tongues!
Much love,
Aimie Markham Murfreesboro, Tennessee
We both loved Fireproof and read the Love Dare book. It was a great eyeopener. We've been married 37 years and whether you've been married 1 yr or 50 I think this is worth the time to sit down to watch and take a few minutes daily to work through the book.
I can so see how Satan tries very hard to attack both of us but we are learning together and waging a war against him.
I love how Christine said "I'm learning to Be Still in my thoughts and reactions to my spouse and listen to the voice of God." That is the number one thing I'm STILL working on, but I'm glad I recognize that need and can move forward.
Thanks Amanda for taking time to share this post, it's something we should all think about and ask for prayer when we need it. Those around us love us too and will do anything to help all wounds heal.
Blessings, Bobbie
God has a since of humor...last night my husband "tossed" a magazine across the room after I asked him to help with one of the kids. My reaction to this was not worthy of writing on this blog...
I began to have it out with God (in my head) and I told Him I was NOT apologizing because I had done nothing wrong! A long story short... here I am reading this.
It's just not worth it...he's a great husband and father. O.K. I will apologize. Seriously, I've thrown much more than a magazine at him in my mind.
Some advise from my friend..." when your husband makes you mad just remember, your not really submitting to him. You are submitting to God and that I will gladly do."
We've watched the movie together and it was awesome. I keep saying I'm going to get the book but I haven't. Then I found this blogger that each day was posting the book on her blog. She has taken a break from it but it is a start and maybe the start all of us needs to then go out and get the book.
http://meganslovedare.blogspot.com/2009_02_01_archive.html
As a wife of 25 years, who when in only the 6th year of marriage face one of if not the most destructive episodes and has the potential to kill a marriage I want to speak to those friends of the friends whose marriage is falling apart. DO NOT TURN AWAY.
During my time of marriage self destruction not only friends but family stepped aside or should I say ran aweay. That's how it felt. Friends stopped calling, invitations stopped coming everyone watched from the side lines as if to say "Ok let's wait to see how this marriage ends and then we will step in and help with the clean up." I know now that they just didn't know what to say. After all we were the Sunshine Family! We were going to be the ones who made it. We did praise God and it was only by the grace of God that we did. But friends please do not abandon the couple. Love on them, pray on them and even prey on them. As Amanda said stage an intervention! Don't take sides even when they try and make you. They are in a pit no matter who matter which one got them there and they need your love and prayer to get them out.
And please do not act like nothing is going on. Don't ignore the warning signs. We are called to spur one another on and lift each other up. Friends get in there in the mud of the pit and throw them a life line.
I pray, I pray & then I pray some more. Unfortunately, I've watched several friends go through some major valleys in their marriages. Praise be to God, most of them have recovered (or are in the process of recovering.) When I'm with them, I just try to speak truth to them the best I can. I'm single & have never been married, so I can't identify from the having walked through it viewpoint. A couple of years ago I had multiple people coming to me with maritial issues & I just cried out to God - "What? With all of my experience in marriage? What on earth do I have to tell them? All I know about marriage is what the Bible says!" I could almost hear God chuckle as His response was "And conveniently, that's all I need you to know."
I'm not married but I have seen it work miricales in other peoples marriages. that that is a little book by dr. Bill Gothard. "The Power of the Spoken Blessing"
I love this post...I am a 1.5 year marriage veteran and have the same questions -- will we be one of the marriages that make it? I WANT TO BE!!! Marriage is hard, and I know we've got hardship to come...and I want to go through it with my husband and grow in Christ as He wants us to grow. Pray for my marriage (we're Sarah and Dave) and I'll be praying for yours....I know it's worth it, and I know God is good and worth trusting...love you all!
This year we celebrated 15 years together...Our first years were not good to say the least, but God saved our marriage...
I could write a book, but I will share the one piece of advice that I believe was the start of healing in our marriage. I felt in my spirit that God told me to stop trying to change my husband, and look in the mirror to see what needed to change in me...
Wake up call.. although the process was not instant, once I started looking at the things (and there were a lot) I needed to change it was hard for me to worry about what my husband needed to do...And you know the cool thing is that my husband did change as he began to search out the Lord too.
Again, I gave the quick version, but our story is one of God's miracle and Him saving my husband and I from ourselves :)
Blessings!!!
Sue,
I hear you. Sometimes when you are trying to be "fireproof" you just get burned a little more each day. All the resources in the world can't change the reality of what is happening when the rubber meets the road in your own home. I am glad these resources are there and many do contain the Truth, but please know that someone out there understands that all of the determination to stay married, head and heart knowledge of the biblical principles of marriage and genuine attempts to be the wife you are called to be just can't always make things better. In fact, years worth of hard work can't always do that either.
Ladies out there who have good marriages, please keep those of us in mind (and in your prayers) who are fighting every day and getting nowhere. I hope you will be sensitive enough to be able to differentiate when we need "woodshed moments" and when we just need a shoulder to lean on.
my husband and I will celebrate 30 years of marriage this Oct. We have certainly had our share of "waves." But as we mentor couples, and as we have learned for ourselves, marriage truly shows up our selfishness. That's God's opportunity to learn that it's "not about me." (Caveat: that does NOT mean abuse is ok!!!) Something we notice over and over is the willingness for couples to be cruel to each other; talking mean, calling names, bringing up hurtful past -- it's all so unnecessary and words do so much damage! Also, it is not your spouse's job to meet all your emotional and spiritual needs. Only God can do that. Let God renew your mind through His Word. Do what God says, not what culture or movies or romance novels say. And get help if y'all need it!!! Amanda, I'm confident that your parents would take you and Curtis to the woodshed -- as would my hubbie and I if we were closer! We love you, and your generation needs to fight for marriage as God sees it.
Wow. Your post comes 2 days after our small group. We have been studying Ephesians since September. We actually just finished the section on marriage.
The biggest thing for me was the fact that our marriages are to be a reflection of Christ and his church. How crazy is that? When people see my marriage do they seem Christ's love reflected there?
Just saw Fireproof. Thanks for this post.
There are two things have told friends before and that I'm sure I'll share again.
1. Don't separate. If you fall, slice your arm open, and go to the doctor, he doesn't leave it open and gaping to heal. He stitches it back together. So when there's a rift in your marriage, stitch yourself to your partner so healing can occur.
2. Act like you still love your spouse, even when you don't feel like you do. We so often think that we act based on our feelings but research shows that's just not true. Our actions have a huge impact on our feelings. So even when you are mad, make your spouse's favorite dinner or take home a card or small treat. Your feelings will follow that action.
I hear so much in my community about divorce recovery and ministry and I am all for that. Please don't mistake and think I'm not. But why aren't we hearing twice as much about how to keep from getting to divorce? Why aren't there more classes, seminars, etc. being offered to help me strengthen and hold on to my marriage? Thanks, Amanda, for your timely post.
The piece of advice I would give again is this: fight for it. Choose every day to stay and choose to love your spouse. Marriage is not about feelings--your feelings will steer you wrong every time. They come and go based on circumstance. Don't be afraid to get help.
The only exception? If you or your children are in physical danger. Then choose to leave and get help.
Wow - what a great post! My husband and I recently celebrated our 25th anniversary and we are both walking miracles! I have cried so hard that I thought my insides were going to explode. I have been so mad that I couldn't enjoy the chocolate that I was eating to make myself feel better. But GOD is the Almighty Healer - after I finally gave up and decided to do things His way - He brought my husband and me to a place that I never thought possible. We never entertained the thought of divorce - but daily struggled with how to live with one another in the middle of the mess. I begged God to help and that He did! All of the Glory is God's - He is amazing!
Mary Ann
Wichita Falls
This was very encouraging. The marriage I am praying for right now is my parents. They have been married almost 30 years and have quite frankly just about given up. It's absolutely heartwrenching. But, God is good. I have to daily just give it to Him. Because I've learned that I am completely unable to handle this on my own. God bless all of you.
Blessings,
Hannah
I have been in a failed marraige and divorced. In addition to all the Biblical reasons...let me bring it down to the human level for a moment: Let me say that I believe the pain of it all was worse than if my spouse had died. If he had died, at least it wouldn't have been partly my fault. I have lived with the guilt for 20 years now. In the end it was MY decision...MY choice. I regret it for the pain it caused my children, and still does cause them all these years later. If you think that you would be happier without him...you need to know that you will be dealing with him for the rest of your life. My children are grown...and I still can get totally mad at him. Most of the time, I feel forgiven...but sometimes, I still punish myself.
I have been remarried to a wonderful, precious man for 17 years. He has been a fantastic step-dad to my girls. We have had A LOT of counciling (you can find it free if you can't afford it) because it can be challenging to blend 2 families. We love each other, and often times think that we were meant for each other from the start of time.
God was very good to me...He provided a parachute when I was crashing to the ground. My dear husband softed the blow of hitting the ground. But even though I've found great happiness in this 2nd marriage...the pain and reality of really blowing it the first time has never totally healed.
Don't think that because you just can't get along, or have no common interest, or you just "don't love each other anymore" that divorce is the best option. You will live with the consequences your entire life. God hates divorce for a reason.
My marriage HAS been in the ashes, my husband DID go off the deep end, I didn't think I'd survive the destruction. And our friends? They couldn't have been more like Jesus intended His Body to be. They lovingly breathed life and the Word into us. We have hope again. Beauty is on its way. So, what would I say to a woman who is about to give up?
I'd say, "Let me tell you my story..."
Oh well, I have been taken to the woodshed, praise God. I have been married for 33 years to my high school sweetheart. Things were happening in my life that I had no control of financially, and my husband being the financial man he is couldn't handle this, so he was very angry at me. He took out all of his anger on me through screaming and hollering at me, and it pushed me away from him. I resorted to the kindness of other men through facebook and fell for Satan's lies that they cared more about me than my own husband. Boy what a mess I made of things and was brought up in a fine christian home and was a fine christian mother and wife, who would have said I would never do something like that. After the truth became light, some of my dearest friends took me to the woodshed but not with switches, but with God's love and his word. I was brought back to my life thank God. My marriage barely held together with much prayer. It's only been a year and it's still a major struggle, but I know the harvest is close. Two things that helped me through this was a small Bible study called Searching for contentment (I think) and a song by Point of Grace called "Heal the wound, but leave the scar" I can definitely testify that their is HOPE!!
This is my second post because I neglected to answer your specific question, Amanda; this very topic has been searing my heart and brain this week.
We as a couple have money set aside to gift people with resources when the need arises. We sent a set of John Piper's new marriage material to some friends in a rough spot right now. We've offered money for marriage retreats. We've given books. And we ask some hard questions like "how is your sex life?" I am currently working on a Bible study with a friend who is on the other coast. And we pray- we're on 4 years for one struggling couple who, after 20+ yrs of marriage are finally open to giving it a bit longer.
Don't give up and always do the right thing, no matter what. I'm praying as I read comments.
God has been showing me lately that I shouldn't judge others' marital situations. I was extrememly critical of my brother-in-law actions until my sister told me that she loves him and knows he won't change, but that God sustains her and has called her to love him. Until she asks for help, I should be proud of her for being supportive and loving rather than questioning how she can put up with him.
Amanda, this is truly a difficult question- I believe I had the right to leave my marriage during the first years. Wish I had many times!
If I had had the information and understanding I now have, I would have made a different choice in a mate. Sound pre marital counsel can be very valuable and also when the times get tough in a marriage. In my case, even the counselors my husband and I worked with- suggested I leave or find a way to live a parallel life without the intimacy and care I wanted in a mate. Narcissism is a very sad disorder- for the spouse and the narcissist.
I did not know such a personality disorder existed, although my family background is full of the disorder (we think these behaviors are normal when you live in the middle of them)- Your mother has taught about generational issues effecting our choices- I believe that is true. I also have great faith that God wants to heal the generational issues that are harmful so that future generations will be blessed with a full life and healthy families.
I did not leave my marriage. Frankly, I believe it would have been the correct decision, prior to having children. I have two grown sons. Life has been very difficult and sad. However, we "LOOK" really good on the outside! It was my decision to stay and I cannot blame anyone for that decision. I believe it is very destructive to maintain a victim mentality, once the darkness is exposed. God has used my pain to heal many aspects of my life and deepen my walk with him. I am now aware of the importance of generational healing through the grace of our Lord. I pray that the work I have done to understand my marital choice and the wisdom our Lord is giving me regarding the authority I have as a wife and mother to pray into all the wounds that are associated with my husband's and my life will produce the fruit and abundance our Lord desires for us and our children. He is the healer.
I want my sons and their descendents to be blessed for a thousand generations and for the false Gods (workalcohism, narcissm, money, divorce, social pride, legalism, etc.) of generations past to end with me with God's help.
So, after that long winded opinion. I agree with your mother. Before you marry, look at your own baggage,your potential mate's baggage and get Godly counsel. But most importantly "Deal with your own baggage" If you are already married- still look at your own baggage, then approach your marriage with deep prayer and Godly counsel. If you get healthy spiritually and emotionally through the grace of our Lord, everyone else will benefit- Staying a victim in any sense of the word never produces abundant fruit.
God bless you for your focus on this important matter at this stage in your life. You will bless others greatly. Love and blessings, One of the Siestas who believes God can set us free. I am still a work in progress at age 60 and and continue to pray for God to complete his mighty work in my family and me.
I have been there in my marriage -- the point where you are sure it is done. We managed to get past it only by the grace of God (celebrated our ninth anniversary in April). I have a friend who is struggling in her marriage right now. I try to be direct with her because I can see myself in some of the things she is doing. I pray that she and her husband will have a complete healing in their marriage.
June 18, the day you posted this was our 26th anniversary. I like the word your mom used, it is an apt description - waves. In 26 years we've ridden our share of waves of richer or poorer, sickness or health, and better or worse. We happen to be riding a crisis wave right now, but we're riding it together.
Several have mentioned "The Power of A Praying Wife" by Stormie Omartian. In heated moments, ladies, instead of continuing the discussion which will only grow more heated, zip your lips and pray your heart out for your man. I can testify that when you begin to pray God's Word over your husband, God will not only change your man, he will change you first and you will never be the same. I have to tell you that I like the Spirit-filled me He continues to transform daily so much better than the self-centered wretch that I was.
Amazed by His grace,
Patti Hayes
Lutz, Florida
PS: If you haven't watched Fire Proof, you don't want to miss this one.
We have a woman in our church who is leaving her husband because she is a believer and he is not. She says she can't take it anymore....his atheistic/antagonistic ways. I have tried showing her the scripture in I Cor. 7 where it says a believer should stay married to a non-believer. I don't know what else I can do.
Anyone got any suggestions?
My husband and I just celebrated our 25th anniversary. We give God all of the praise. We never would have made it without Him!!! We've certainly had our problems, but I must tell you I love my husband more today than ever and am so glad to share my life with him.
What would I say to a sister struggling in her marriage? Forget about what the media says - any and all things that come to you from a non-Biblical perspective of love and marraige. With your whole heart, jump into the scriptures on marriage. Get Christian counseling. Remember why you chose to marry that person in the first place. Focus on the good things in them. Treat your husband like you did when you dated and were first married. Tell them you love them and tell them what you appreciate about them. Your heart will eventually follow your decisions and your words. The words in Revelations are to the church, but they can certainly be applied to our marriages, "...You have forsaken your first love. Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repent and DO THE THINGS YOU DID AT FIRST..." (Revelations 2:5)
Value your marriage, your husband, your children, and mostly - the vow you made to God. God "has given us everything we need for life and godliness..." (2 Peter 1:3)
Much love and prayers to those of you who are struggling today.
Oh Amanda and dear siestas...
Like so many, marriage has been the hardest thing I have ever done in my life. Taking two people who thought they were from similar backgrounds found out we have so many differences. How he was raised, his churches teachings, (we were both raised in Baptist churches, but oh the difference)even our family dynamics, communication or lack there of. Our pastor makes the statement that he wishes marriage for everyone because nothing can drive you to the foot of the cross or give you the motivation to seek Christ and become like him. I have found that marriage has been my big hurt that I'd like to ignore or forget, but it is the experience that GOD HAS ALLOWED to bring fruit to my life. To love sincerely when your needs are not met... day after day after day. This is not a downer, this is a praise. I feel whole, full, I feel like a miracle has been accomplished in me. During the Bible Study 'The Patriarchs' your mother speaks of those who are either oblivious to your needs, unwilling to meet your needs or are incapable of meeting your needs. How can a paraplegic throw their arms around a child who NEEDS a hug? They are incapable. And God has so gracefully shown me there are oblivious problems and incapability problems in my relationship with my spouse. Is this going to last the rest of my days? Maybe. My God is capable of making all things brand new, and I believe He will. We've been married almost 29 years and most of it has been work, conflict and hurt...BUT GOD. Oh to be fully redeemed. I will not quit. God's blessings are worth the trials that prune us (Major surgery on this girl). There is no worship like personal worship. There is no healing like redemptive healing. There is no love like the love of the Father. Focus on these things, believe God, He has written the script for your life, even the bumps in the road are allowed by Him. Let them accomplish their purpose and you will come forth shining like the heavenly noon day Son!!! Hang in there girls. I am praying for you.
Well, in my mighty 4 months of marriage (grin), here's what I've got: Love that man of yours as if he already is everything you see God calling Him to be, and everything you 'need' him to be. When I'm in an abiding relationship with Christ, being filled by His love that is shed abroad in our hearts, my love for my husband is an overflow of that love Christ has poured forth in me. Thus, I can still strive to 'love him well' even in the moment where I don't feel it or want to! Lastly, pray according to His will.
Since my length of marriage is what it is, I suppose that accounts for more like 0.0005 cents than 0.02 cents!
I would want to say that at some point EVERYONE who is real struggles in their marriage, and because of that, you shouldn't be afraid to talk about it, and ask a sister (or siesta) for advice, help or prayer. Having someone you can talk to about these things can make the situation more bearable.
I heard somewhere the number one thing guys want in a marriage is to be respected, and the number one thing girls want is to be cherished. I know when we struggle if I start showing him how much I respect him and all that he does, it goes along way to get things back to normal, and after I've lived that out for a little bit, he's much more receptive to hearing me express to him I need to be cherished more.
My heart breaks for those who have a spouse that has chose not to continue to love them. I have no idea what kind of advice you give to those in that circumstance, other than allowing Jesus to comfort you and heal you through that betrayal.
Everyday I CHOOSE to wake up and love my husband. Everyday I CHOOSE to work through whatever comes our way. Being married is a commitment. It is a CHOICE to say I am committed to this man no matter what comes our way. Essentially that is what you said on your wedding day when you said for better or for worse, it's just we never realized that worse could be this bad sometimes! CHOOSE to stay with it and God will bless your marriage for the better:)
I actually have a friend going through things right now in her marriage. I tell her to hold on! God loves her and her husband. HE will prevail, if she will just trust and faith! Marriage is not easy, it is one of the hardest things you can go through. But our God, is a saving God!HE will carry you through.
My anniversary is in July, when it will be our 28th. We have made it this far by the grace of God and our committment to "stay in the boat together with Him." We've gone through seasons, gone through individual and couple's counseling, have had times our marriage has seemed nothing short of heaven on earth, and yes, times when it has seemed to be the opposite. It has required ongoing tending, like a garden. A book that has been invaluable to me has been "Boundaries in Marriage" (Henry Cloud-John Townsend). It has provided clarity in understanding what's "my" stuff, what's "his" stuff and what's "our" stuff. It has spoke truth to my heart so many times and has helped me to be emotionally honest, and have those "hard conversations". I have had to learn and re-learn that only Jesus is my Perfect Bridegroom, with enough love to satisfy this thirsty heart of mine. But that with renewing my committment to love my husband faithfully, on-goingly, and to "speak the truth in love" to him, to sacrifice for him, and to keep myself drawing deeply from God's fountain of love and life, our marriage can continue to grow and reflect Him.
Happy Anniversary, Amanda and Curtis! Thanks for being so honest and willing to open up this subject which is such a vital target for the schemes and arrows of the evil one. May Jesus have the victory in our marriages!!
As someone who has been with my husband since we were siexteen and married since age 20 we went through a time three years ago where the papers were ready to file with the courts. Finally God intervened and stopped both of us from continuing our stubborn, childish ways. I read two books over a three day weekend that changed my life. They were "Avoiding the Greener Grass Syndrome" and " The Walkout Woman." I also found that everything I listened too from Beth's teachings as well as others I continually was reminded we don't act based on our emotions (that was a new concept for me back then). We also sought counseling with our minister. God got his point across. We still have our moments but we are happier now than we have ever been. We just celebrated our 17th wedding anniversary and are looking forward to many more.
If you are having problems, seek your Christian friends, those that will tell you the truth in love (even though you may not like what they say, you need to hear it). Seek counseling, look to your childhood and your life to see what you learned about marriage. Think of your own behavior, try looking at yourself as if you were on the outside looking in, more than likely you won't like what you see. Read any good christian book on relationships and marriage, eventually, God will get your attention if you will let him. Finally, pray every day for God to show you where you are wrong...and most importantly pray for him to give you a love for your husband like you have never had before.
What a blessing for this post to come on my 14th wedding anniversary! Thank you for the words of encouragement. We all need to hear them from time to time...
Amanda,
I love your mother’s wave description. My marriage has been an unbelievable rollercoaster -with the highest of highs and the lowest of lows. I am 42. I married my husband at age 18. I’ll never forget on my 38th birthday when he came in from a check-up at the doctor’s office and told me the doctor doubled the milligrams of Lipitor he had already been taking for a year. He has battled high cholesterol since age 26 and has a terrible family history of heart disease. And when he told me that even after the diet and medication he had been taking for a year, the cholesterol still went up I began crying my eyes out. We had just lost a dear uncle of his very suddenly to a heart attack a few weeks before. I remember being overcome with fear of losing my husband. I remember saying immediately and silently to the Lord “God, today is my 38th birthday. I married this man when I was 18. You do the math. I have lived with him longer than I ever lived at home with my parents. I could never survive without him.”
Well, I’m sorry to say that what has come since that time has been one difficulty after another for my marriage. I went from “how can I live without him” to “how can I live with him.” He is a functioning alcoholic. And as he gets older, he drinks more and more. Wonderful Christian Counselors have told me this is most always the case without intervention. The more he drinks the more he becomes irrational, bitter, perverted, mean…he is just very hard to live with. I’ll never forget a time when I was just so ready to leave him. I had my mind made up. I had a lawyer picked out. But I went before God to pray for strength through the process. I fell on my knees and nothing would come out other than tears. And I heard the Lord speak so very gently to my soul “wait. Hold on.”
Even though the last thing I wanted to do was to hold on and stay in the fix I was in, I agreed with Him. I gave up on divorce. And I had the most unbelievable sense of peace wash over me. This was the first time I had ever personally felt that “peace that surpasses all understanding” that Paul describes.
I discovered your mom’s Bible studies about 4 years ago. And I can’t tell you how staying in Word has helped me in my marriage situation. I am so absolutely addicted to God’s Word now that the other day when talking to At&t, the lady asked me for an answer to a security question which was “What is your favorite hobby?” to which I said “Bible study.” HALELLUJAH!
My husband is still an alcoholic. I guess the worst kind, the kind that doesn’t believe he has a problem. (Please don’t worry, he isn’t physically abusive. I promise.) But, I have grown so much closer to God. My marriage is hanging in there and I can tell you that is a miracle in its self! I know God is going to redeem this man of mine and I can’t wait to see how He takes us up to an even higher high than we have ever seen on this roller coaster ride of marriage.
A wise lady who had just lost her husband to cancer once told me that marriage is full of peaks and valleys. She said her fear was that our generation wasn’t going to witness the highest peaks because we weren’t willing to persevere through the valleys. Girls, God is faithful to change our hearts and restore the marriage of our youth but we have got to endure the hard times without giving up!
Stay in His Word.
Bama Beth
I will never forget, about 12 years ago my marriage was a wreck. We had hurts and disappointments beyond repair.
A friend asked me how things were going, i told her a divorce was being planned and she said,
"girl, stay on bended knees".
Bended knee made a difference.
We will celebrate 25 yrs of marriage soon.
Sabrina
Thank you so much for posting this. I got engaged yesterday (YAY) and I know it's going to be tough and awarding, and my prayer is that we continue to put God first in our relationship. I thank God that He brought me a Godly man.
This really was an encouragement to me today! Thank you :)
Kristen
Ohio
Oh, Amanda....
Thank you for this. Just another confirmation on this subject that I have been so struggling with. A sweet friend of mine did stage a mini-intervention and suggested just what you did: Fireproof and the Love Dare.
Isn't it odd how sneaky our God is...He always gives you just what you need right when you need it. My cousin said that she heard a pastor speak recently saying that God is NEVER late, but he's almost always ALMOST late. Faith-building, faith-confirming ALMOST late, I'd say. :O)
Thanks again and have a blessed weekend!
Staci
I tried to take my friends to the woodshed, but only the wife would go. They chose not to let God save their marriage and it hurt so badly! It hurt them, us, others we know, the children, and the list goes on.
My advice for any siesta reading is to remember that the only person you can change is you. You seek the Lord, You keep going to church, you keep reading the Scriptures, you keep honoring and respecting your man, you keep loving him even when he is unlovable. Let God show you how to see your husband the way He sees your husband. Loved and redeemed. God can bring any marriage through ANY fire! He is God Almighty! Just don't give up!
Blessings to you! and Happy Late Anniversary, Amanda & Curtis!
Because of Christ,
Tracey
So interesting you are talking about marriage...this has been a huge for me this past week. Here is the one thing I would share (from my experience just this week!) - be very careful as you come in contact with and/or minister to someone who is having difficulty with their marriage or in the middle of a separation or divorce. I have first hand experienced the damaging effect just being close to the violence of divorce can be. In the future I would be more intentional in my prayers, asking the Lord to protect my mind and my marriage as I come close to the situation. I would still minister to the hurting but I would come armed and protected by His Truth.
Wow Amanda you and your sister really know how to open a can of worms...you get it honest though! :-)
I'll post anonymously today to protect the innocent and the not so innocent.
My marriage has been a struggle.
(10 years this year)
We are both independent and stubborn. My husband is an alcoholic. We have 2 children. We went through two and a half years of counseling together and individually. I have considered leaving many times. But divorce is a death and something equally as forboding as staying married to an alcoholic. As my counselor would say we could fill a room with people who think you should have left a long time ago and we could fill a room with people who think you should never leave.
I can promise you that God sustains me daily. And that may just be the whole point. And thanks to God, the counseling, and your momma I no longer live in the pit with him, but love him from above it.
My short and sweet advice is (1)being nice to each other goes a long way to sustaining your marriage. Sounds easier than it is! There's a world of difference some days to the way I speak to my husband and the way I speak to my boss. Be nice! (2) Remember our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the evil one!
And to those of you not married yet: pray, pray, pray and listen, listen, listen to God and those around you who love you when selecting your mate.
His Word on your tongue is beautiful, Amanda. Very, very beautiful.
We have actually faced this with dear friends, who are still married. They didn't know the Lord. Chris prayerfully took his dear friend to a play about knowing the Lord. His friend went forward and gave his life to Christ...then, he took his wife and son the next night. They went forward. It is one of the the most beautiful things I have ever seen.
Amazing Love--He changes things!
I would tell anyone I knew having marriage trouble that I was available at anytime to talk or meet with them, no matter night or day so that they never felt alone and like no one cared. And I would check on them alot. And pray for them and with them.
I will be celebrating 27 years of marriage in November. I am proud of that fact. I can say that my husband and I have made a committment in our marriage,to stay married. I want everyone to know that marriage is not a fairytale. It is work! And the seasons of marriage dont last for ever. Make time for yourself as a couple. Don't allow your children to rule your life. Find what it was that you fell in love with in that person,its still there ! You made a comittment before God when you took those vows. Honor God by persevering through the hard times. Pray together. It's a blessing to hear my husband pray for me. Make time for each other,find a common bond and you will find yourself celebrating many anniversaries!
I married my highschool sweetheart at age 21 and our marriage ended in divorce 8 years later. Christ was nowhere near the center of our marriage even though I had accepted Him at age 13. I remarried at age 36 to a man who had also been through divorce and we knew that blending our family would be a difficult challenge. By God's grace, we let a smidge of Him in and little by little he drew us into the Spirit-filled life. The one thing I believe we have done that has WORKED wonders is this: whenever we have an argument, the one who humbles himself/herself first, calls the other to join him/her on their knees (This can be a very difficult step because your pride must be quenched in order to do so) This allows you to get your eyes off your mate and back on God. The "bigger" Christian then prays, "Lord we have sinned against you and we have sinned against each other with our attitudes, words, and hearts. Please forgive us and come in and heal the wounds that have resulted from our fight." Then, face to face, we ask one another for forgiveness (There have been occassions where we had to go back and repeat the process because one or both parties was still holding on to some unforgiveness). But I promise that when done sincerely, healing will appear. I KNOW this because God completely wipes away all the "yucky" feelings to the point where you don't even remember what it felt like to be mad at him!!! It's supernatural. James 4:6-8 sums this entire process up!
Thanks Amanda! Our 21 year old daughter just gave my husband and me a surprise 25th anniversary party. She made the most beautiful scrapbook full of pictures and notes/letters from many family and friends telling us why they loved us. We were so overwhelmed by how much people loved us that on the way home all we could do was hold hands and cry. I know now why we will get new bodies in Heaven. Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to stand up and contain all the love Christ has for us. Honestly, I almost could not stand up last Saturday because of the love of Jesus that I felt through all of the family and friends that were there. I don't want to take up a lot of room on the blog, but for mothers I would say pray from the first day your child is born that God would reveal the one he has for them. Then pray for your child and the soul mate. Before I became engaged I sought God in the decision. To the world it probably looked like I wasn't making the right choice. God was clear to me, and I KNEW. Last Saturday was proof in the pudding. We are excited about the next 25!
Happily married in TN!
AMEN!!!! I love this. You and your family are so awesome. God breathes through you so much. THank you so much for doing what God intended for y'all to do. Thanks to all of you for everything that y'all do for the Kingdom of God.
I love Fireproof. I own it and have shown it to many people myself. I love that movie. They did a great job. It was so truthful and believeable. It was so real. Especially when Caleb gets up in her face screaming at her.
I recently listened to John Piper's sermon on submission. You can download or read it here.
http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByTopic/45/2088_The_Beautiful_Faith_of_Fearless_Submission/.
I also have loved the book Rocking the Roles by Robert Lewis, and it was one of the best books that I've read on marriage. Marriage is the hardest thing I've ever done, at my young age of 25. And I know for certain that the enemy wants so badly for us to feel that we're alone in this. That's what's so great about posts like this. We're defeating this lie of his.
I never thought of marriage as having waves. I just know there are days that I love him so much that I feel like my heart will pop. BUT then there are days that I would like to put him on the curb with the trash!
But I have a man who will not quit. His Mom was married four times and he bears the scars.
So it has hurt my heart that each of our three married children have been in a position of considering divorce. Most recently our daughter-in-law decided it wasn't working. I just listened to our son's pain and prayed my heart out. They are making it, one day at a time.
Two becoming one is a lot like work. We went to a wedding last Saturday--those 2 youngsters (OK, 24 and 20--just like us some 37 years ago) were beaming. Young love is wonderful, but old love is beyond description.
Thank you for a good "shot in the arm!" Amanda! I needed to hear some of that. I have a wonderful, loving husband and a fabulous, happy marriage with 2 beautiful daughters. But I know that some of the things I keep from my husband (finances, mostly) would (and often does!) crumble our happiness. I need to put myself back on the straight-and-narrow. Thanks for your wise words!
The Journey Continues ~
Amanda,
I just got online to check your "Burning Down the House" comments and believe your words to be well written and thought provoking!!!
I FEEL THE LORD HAS PUT THIS ON MY HEART TO SHARE WITH THE SIESTA'S ~
I get phone calls, etc.. all the time on my marriage!!! "Kim, how do you and Dave have such an amazing marriage?" Kim, Dave spoils you rotten. Kim, Your children have such respect for you and your husband. etc..
This is not a brag comment for the LPM sight. This is a "see the light" MOMENT I hope for others!!
I have had an AMAZING MARRIAGE for going on 27 years!
notes, flowers( daily),
jb gifts = just because, attention, surprise dates,anniversary trips,
terms of endearment,(not the movie but the words)
How?
Dave and I put the OTHER'S NEEDS ABOVE OUR OWN!!!!
We choose to put Christ Jesus first,spouse second,Children come after spouse!!!
MARRIAGES HAVE DIFFICULTY AT THE MOMENT WE GET OUR PRIORITIES OUT OF WACK!!!!!
1. GOD FIRST
2. SPOUSE SECOND
3. CHILDREN THIRD
4. EXTENDED FAMILY
5. FRIENDS
6. WORK
So many women, after having their babies, start putting their children above the needs of their husbands!!!!! STOP NOW!!!!
Because, you will turn around and the children will be gone and this man will be sitting across the room from you and you won't know him!!!! MEN need your ATTENTION AND LOVE, SUPPORT, ETC.
Be a SERVANT TO YOUR HUSBAND NOT A DOOR MAT!!!!
The Bible "MY LIFE MANUAL" has answers for every question you might have regarding marriage!!
Several individuals have shared their hearts,pains and anger about their spouse with us and we have found this to be true ~
THEY GOT THEIR PRIORITIES OUT OF WACK!!!
SIESTA'S
WE ARE HERE FOR EACHOTHER ~
That is what I admire about Beth Moore, Amanda Jones, Melissa Fitzpatrick = they are open and honest about LIFE!
I am here for all ~
Make me a servant humble and meek for others to see that the Life Manual is LIFE in a Marriage!
With "Heaven Bound" blessings,
Kim Safina
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WE NEED GODLY PASTOR'S AND TEACHER'S who will be bold and look into the face of adultery and say DAMED if you won't lay it down!! Believe me I don't say this lightly...I grieve over the pain that is brought into a person's life because of sin but DIVORCE is so damaging to children and the effects are live long that we must RESIST the enemy's lie's....When we are married before God we enter into a COVENANT that must not be broken!! WE as a "body" need to take a long look at what the Father's of old taught on this matter and then follow their practice.....to God's honor and glory.
I have been married for two and a half decades, and I cannot begin to tell you what a miracle of God that is. I could write a book.
However, in the past five years or so, I have watched many, many friends, and some close family members get divorced. I can't begin to tell you the pain this has caused everybody involved.
It has been my observation that the number one LIE the enemy has used to break up these marriages has been, "Your spouse (he has said this to both men and women) does not appreciate you, is not good enough for you, is not suited for you. It was a mistake to marry them, and you can find someone who is better."
The truth is that while they may find someone who is different from their former spouse, they will NOT find someone better. All human beings are imperfect. The next spouse may have different problems than than the former spouse, but he or she still has problems. Since you are going to have to deal with problems anyway, why not deal with the problems you already have? Love the one you're with!
It is a LIE that someone else is better suited to fulfill all your needs. Most of us are bottomless pits of need and no human being on earth can fill us up. You are going to have to get your fulfillment from JESUS, and let your spouse off the hook for something he or she is not able to do even if they truly want to.
I have been married for a long time. Satan has continuously told me all the things that I have told you. For some reason, God's truth has rung louder in my ear than Satan's lie. It is my sincere prayer that this will be the case far more often in our country. I believe that divorce is far more dangerous to our country than any threat from a foreign enemy.
Amen Amanda!! The words that God gave you are so right on. God wants so much more for us, our spouses, marriages and families and yet so many times we don't take Him up on it. Thanks for the reminder today. You are a blessing!
In His Redeeming Grace,
Sarah Rader
Wow, this was exactly what I needed today. It's so amazing how God works. My husband of 16 years, a Godly man, a man of leadership in the church, a wonderful, intelligent man of character and honesty, admitted four months ago that he'd had a several month long affair with another woman. He came to me and admitted his sin and told me that he wanted to stay married.
I was ready to give up this morning. This is hard work. I love him tremendously, and I still believe he's a good man, but this is work! I am tired, and I am beaten down. When I opened this post today, it was as if God himself was speaking to me.
Always remember that the enemy wants the destruction of your marriage, especially if it is a marraige of two Godly people. He would love nothing better than to ruin that. Always be prepared and remember that we fight not against the things of this world alone, but against the very forces of hell itself.
I have seen evidence of God's work in my life like no other time before. I know that he will create something beautiful from this, but it is soooo hard.
I recommend Streams in the Desert, a devotion book. I picked it up before I knew what was about to happen in my life, and it seems like every day God is delivering me a little message to keep going, keep enduring, I'm with you, this will be for My glory. It has been the most amazing book.
Penny
Amanda,
You are inspired by the one true GOD! I know from experience the only thing that works is for your godly friends to speak truth to you, even if it hurts your feelings!
Even if you don't "hear" it when it is said, it will permeate your thoughts and GOD will win.
Thanks for sharing and inspiring other Christian women in their married lives.
Brandi
at one of my bridal showers, the hostess had every guest write advice on a note card to give to my husband and me. the best advice i got was from my husband's mom, who also got it from her husband's mom at one of her bridal showers many years ago. it's this: "remember that you are on the same team."
i like that she started the advice with "remember." this always makes me go back to the beginning and remember our first love - why we loved and valued each other to begin with and Who our awesome God is that brought us together. when i stop to remember these things, regardless of what is happening, i realize that there is more to my husband that is good than the bad i'm seeing in the moment.
if you think about my mother-in-law's advice in terms of sports, it makes a lot of sense. a team has a purpose together and can only accomplish that purpose by coming alongside each other, contributing what the others need, communicating, and encouraging. not many teams function at their best if they are belittling one another and tearing each other down.
when i'm having a hard time with my husband, i remember that God placed my husband and me together for a purpose, and then (usually with prayers like "God, help me because i don't feel like doing this!") i look for a way to build up the team. our true fight in the long run is against those coming against our team, not against each other, even if we have hang ups in our own lives. my team cannot win if i insist on being the lesser person by disrespecting my husband, belittling him in front of others, or demanding that i'm right. but if i allow God to work in my life and change me to build our team, then our team has a good chance of beating the odds. plus, if we're wholeheartedly following the Lord, then we're on HIS team, and He WILL pull us through!
You keep saying "What IF, What IF, What IF" and I keep hearing your mom's voice saying "I FEAR, I FEAR, I FEAR"!!!!! Don't let the enemy win by playing into his "What IF" games!! "Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in Your sight, O LORD, my rock and my redeemer." Psalm 19:14
Jennifer Hopkins
Augusta, Kansas
Thank you for sharing your heart Amanda! I love everything you said!
We have been married for 20 years and the BEST piece of advice that was given to us was on a marriage retreat... the couple had been running a marriage retreat center for over 20 years and they said hands down when couples can take the time to read scripture and pray together daily (well shoot for daily) that something supernatural takes place... they said that 98.9% of the time when a couple calls after the retreat with troubles, the first thing they always ask the couple is if they had been having quiet times together? When they said well... this has come up and this... he would tell them go back to reading and praying together and call him back in 3 weeks and they said inevitable the problem was solved!
**Now here is some encouragement girls... my husband was NOT the typical sit down and read scripture and pray with your wife kind of guy... of course I eat that kind of stuff up... so slowly and VERY awkwardly we gave God what little we had... we felt silly, shy, embarrassed... but we humbly gave it a try and I have to say (my husband would too) that 3 years later God has blossomed that time into the most amazing, beautiful, powerful thing! We both marvel at the huge blessing it has become in our lives!**
Waves will definitely come and go but something transcendent happens when you offer it all to Him in prayer! (I know y'all know that but I'm just still blown away by it!)
Anyway sorry so long! I don't know how to condense! : )
Do you know of a resource to connect with Christian counselors in Texas that will accept a sliding fee scale?
If I knew that someone reading this blog was struggling in her marriage, what one thing would I want to say to her? Here it is: When challenges and struggles come into your marriage, go deeper into God's word. Draw as close to God as you can and hang on. Don't give up and don't give in! In those times when I've experienced struggles in my marriage, it helped me to put things in perspective; reminding myself of my commitments that God is first, my husband is second, my family third, and everything else comes last. I also usually found that I was not walking with the Lord as closely as I ought to be and that I needed desperately to be in His word and listen to what He was trying to tell me. I failed in my first marriage, but with God's grace, mercy, and love, I will not fail in this one. To God be all the glory, now and forever.
I am an adult child of divorce. Reading all of this makes my heart break again. I TOTALLY agree with the person who said divorce is a suicide of the family. My mom filed for divorce when I was 17. My mom verbally beat down my dad, in front of us, time after time. She idolized my sister and me. My dad, didn't seem to pursue her, and never stood up to her verbal beatings. I believe they both played a part in the divorce. They were/are both Christians, and are as different as night and day, but I will ALWAYS believe in my heart, that, had they both given their sin and lives to the Lord, I mean REALLY opened themselves up to his will, they would have succeeded in regaining a godly marriage. Can you IMAGINE the GLORY the Lord would have received in that restoration, had they turned their marriage over to God?! It blows to my mind to think that God could have restored them to LOVE each other, and how that would have impacted my marriage (of 4 1/2 years) and generations! My parents do not get to spend near as much time with my two kids as they would have still married. It changes EVERYTHING, even relationships with grandkids. Not to mention how their divorce and unhealthy marriage has affected my marriage to my husband. And because they didn't follow His will, such an awesome opportunity is wasted.
I will say that they have both remarried, and seem to love Christ more than before. I am now closer to both of them and their spouses than before. Also, their divorce spurs my husband and me to fight that much harder for our marriage. Proof that the Lord does use evil for good! So thankful for that!
I want to say it one more time: Can you imagine the GLORY Christ would receive if you allowed Him to restore even the most hurt-filled marriage?
What a great post! I would hope that my friends would take me out and give me a talking to if my husband and I ever ended up in a rough situation. We have had to talk to people about their situations before. While it can be difficult to say the words you are called to say, siestas, please don't shy away from saying them. Marriage is awesome, but it is far from easy. Let's encourage one another!
Thank you Amanda for allowing God to use you in such a powerful and maybe painful way by sharing your heart. My hubby and I will be celebrating our 23rd anniversary in July (looks like several bloggers have july anniversarys too) and while we are still crazy about each other sometimes we just plain make each other crazy! Our preacher told us years ago that the more we love Christ, the more we will love each other and I have found this to be true. But the main thing I want to say is that I am committing to pray for the marriages of all who have shared on this topic. Mine included. "Greater is He who is in us than he who is in the world"
Happy Anniversary! Thanks for the post, even after 37 years of marriage, June 17, we continue to seek scripture and prayer for our marriage. We are committed to our marriage and divorce was/is never an option. God has been faithful and continues to be the bond that ties us together. Our desire is for our marriage to be pleasing to God, each of us, our family and friends.
Sue
My husband and I have been married for twenty years last March. Five years ago, he left home, (me and the kids) and found himself in an affair with a twenty year old drug addict. It was all over his identity (Who He is in Christ), and the bondage of insecurity and fear. I am not saying anything he would not tell you himself, so I am not defaming him. He has hated himself for this and God in His miraculous mercy has "transformed him by the renewing of his mind". He and I have both realized that probably 90% of the battle is over our minds, and whether we will have a mind of Christ, power and love, or a Spirit of Fear, etc. "I sought the LORD and He heard me, and delivered me from all my fear!". We believe something, and then we act, so where it starts is in our belief system. I would encourage all married people to bring your mind to Christ. Bring all the fear, insecurity, etc. that you battle with every day personally and lay it on the altar. Be willing to sacrifice yourself DAILY to living and breathing Christ, and Christ alone. Put on the mind of Christ. Put on all the armor. Do battle for yourself and your man. Claim God's promises as your own!
Act on those promises! God is greater than ANYTHING! He can heal anything, because He is healing us. I believed and stood with the help of the LORD and the LORD started healing us. This didn't happen overnight, but over 5 years ( yep, all five ) but God is Good and He keeps His word. Empty yourself of yourself and then expect God to step in. Even in Fireproof, which we have seen recently (my husband cried), the man empties himself of everything, and only then, with the love of Christ on him, he can offer something. I love you all so much, and I ache for the body of Christ. Here's hoping a little of my story God will use to His Glory.
Lisa in Kirkland, WA
Oh how aptly timed this post is. I was just out last night with a friend who revealed to me that her marriage is not headed down a good road.
They are not avid church-goers, but do have a Christian foundation.
I was wondering how to approach them (in my singleness) to encourage them to fight through this time. I think I'm going to order them the Fireproof bundle from Amazon (DVD, book and couple's workbook). I'm going to pray about it first though. And I'm talking through it with our mutual friend (who introduced me to them and is now married as well).
But thank you for this post today. To say it's exactly what I needed to read is an understatement.
God bless!
This is such a thought provoking blog topic. We will have been married 30 years next week. We were blessed living near my husband's parents most of our married life. They were married 62 years. Aside from putting your focus on God, my prayer for anyone in a struggling marriage that they too may be blessed with a christian couple that will mentor them. I know it was a wonderful blessing for us to have such a good Christian couple living near to help us when we had stumbling moments. I have to brag a little, it helps to have a wonderful man too!30 years and still going strong(most of the time)
Anon 8:33,
I don't know if you will see this or not. I hope you do. When you talked about wishing you had married your "best friend," I thought of the ladies out there who did marry their best friend who wonder if they should have married someone with whom they had more passion. No matter who you you married or what kind of man he is, there's a "grass is greener" lie for you. The truth is, the very best man for you is the one you're with!
Also, I want you to know that I started the Love Dare back in January and didn't get past day 2, so I stopped. I just picked it up again yesterday and started Day 2, failed, and now have gone back to Day 1 as of this morning. Don't tell Curtis though. :)
For anyone interested, Focus on the Family has a Christian Counselor Referral Database.
If you're looking for someone who will adjust their rates based on your income, just ask whoever you end up calling if they offer it. Also, I think in some cases it can be covered by insurance.
Sorry this is long, but I have a passion for this topic.
Beth has taught me all I know about healing a marriage and giving it all to GOD. She and Keith have given me hope and it has turned me and my marriage completely around. PRAISE YOU LORD!!
Seek Godly counsel for yourself. You changing and getting your thoughts aligned with God makes all the difference.
1. Jesus can be the only one that can complete you and give you joy
2. Pray for God to help you love him even though you don't want to. Ask Him to change your want to.
3. Pray for God's armor for you
and your husband before you leave the house. Eph 6 (actually put the helmet on! and the sword in your hand.)
4. Scripture: Psalm 34:18 The LORD is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit.
5. Pray on your knees for your marriage at night.
6. Pray on your face, amidst a fight go in the bathroom and lock the door and ask Him to redeem you.
7. Pour out to Him everything you are feeling because HE IS the ONLY ONE that can take it.
Sorry this is anonymous...
Amanda,
You are so right. About a year ago, our local paper published a story about wives leaving their husbands because they were bored. After nearly 17 years there are good times and not so good times and you have to work at it.
Sometimes I become complacent and then someone or something reminds me of just how wonderful he is.
I pray for him regularly and share with him my love for the Lord.
Yes, I will go out and buy us the Fireproof DVD. Thanks for the reminder.
Blessings to all my siestas,
Mary Ann, Woodbury, MN
After 27 years of marriage, I can say that it's never easy! But hanging in there is worth it. God can change your heart when you think it's all over and done with. Don't live by your feelings--remember that love is a decision! He can re-ignite those initial fires, if you'll let Him. Don't ever quit praying for your partner and your marriage!
We're 26 years into this journey. Some of the travels have been beautiful, peaceful, lovely. Some of the travels have been ugly, mean, nasty.
I'm not sure how biblical this is, but in the last few years I have been practicing something I learned from that highly spiritual movie "Bambi". When I really would like to let my husband have it and say something mean (which is my tendancy) I just keep telling my self to "just be Thumper".
"If you can't say somethin' nice, don't say nothin' at all".
By the time I've settled down, I can usually discuss what is on my heart or mind without wounding him or our marriage.
Feelings follow actions...not the other way around.
Melana in Wyoming
Yes...I have been to the woodshed...and I've lived through it...and I am now MADLY in love with the man who 3 years ago would've preferred being blown up by terrorists over staying married to me. How did the trouble start...like so many, a simple disobedience to what was shared in the last verse of that Scripture you typed out (Eph. 5): he didn't love me "like Christ loved the Church..." (unconditionally), and therefore, I didn't respect him....and therefore, he loved me less, and therefore, I respected him less....Emerson Eggerichs calls this in his book "Love and Respect," -- THE CRAZY CYCLE! It started with us getting on that cycle and spinning round and round and round on it for so long that we got too dizzy to clearly see God's Truth about ourselves, about our relationships (individually) with Him, or about our relationship with each other.
It then progressed into 2 affairs on his part, total desperation (that by God's grace, drove me to HIM like this "always grew up as Sunday School teacher's pet w/o a care in the world--Hallelujah, Praise Ye the Lord!" girl had NEVER been driven to seek Him before!)
It took...me taking a long, hard look @ how I was being disrespectful, despite his obvious "lack of love" through the affairs...me repenting (at that point, he had no interest)...and a few good friends being used by God to take us to the woodshed, and then to love us enough to stick it out with us--asking hard questions, taking extra time, speaking "hard" Truth...until our marriage had been completely restored, re-modeled, made-over!
Ps. 118:23 was our wedding verse: "This is the Lord's doing; it is marvelous in our eyes." (8 years ago on our wedding day, we were referring to the marvelous fact that God had brought us together.
Sometime in the course of all this restoration, God brought us back to that passage and had us read the verse before it to find out what IS Truly marvelous: (Ps. 118:22-23)..."The Stone that the builders rejected has now become the Chief Cornerstone. THIS is the Lord's doing! It IS MARVELOUS in our eyes!"
And yes, He gets all the glory!
Satan IS a liar...and your mom is so right...abibing in Christ, the Living Word of God, is the only way to combat those lies with Truth. Having come out on the other side (and Lord, by Your Grace--may we stay on "this side,"), yes! I would talk and walk and pray with anyone having marriage struggles...because I KNOW there IS victory in Jesus!
I am the friend right now wondering what to do. I'm the friend wondering if I should stand by the friend while she struggles and wars, or if I should tell her to bail. Get out. You deserve to be treated better.
Abuse. Emotional. Mental. Physical (so far only once, but how long do you wait to find out if he'll do it again?).
It's one of the hardest places I've ever been. They tried counseling. Now he doesn't want to go - at all. She promises to get out to safety if it gets physical again, but who says she'll be able to get out. It worries me. It scares me. It drives me to knees to beg and cry out to God for my sister in Christ.
I want to take him to the woodshed. But I don't think he would hear me out.
When I have a friend that is having trouble in their marriage (unfortunately, there have been a few) I always tell them that divorce isn't all it's cracked up to be. It doesn't solve all of a unhappy person's marital issues. I am divorced and while I know that God can use my experience for good, there isn't a day that goes by that I don't feel the consequences of a failed marriage . . . this is mostly due to having a son from my first marriage and a former spouse who is emotionally, verbally and mentally abusive to both me and my son. . . even after being divorced for 10 years. Anyway, I always tell friends to seek wise, Godly counsel to help them sort through the often knotted up mess of their marriage. Even if the other spouse isn't interested in counseling, then go individually. Sometimes these sessions can give valuable insight into how a person can make changes in their own behaviors and attitudes. Just like the Love Dare, one person was done with the marriage, but the other stuck to the daily challenges and in the end, was able to show his spouse that he had truly changed. Wise counsel can also help a person better understand what the Bible says about both marriage and divorce. In my case, I did not want to give up without knowing in my heart that I had tried everything Christianly possible to make it work - for all of our sakes. I knew first hand how hard it would be since I was the victim of parents who not only divorced once, but twice in a 6 year period (married, separated, divorced, remarried & divorced). If my marriage was going to end, I wanted to be sure that I had sought God's will in every action I took. Wise, Godly counsel helped me through this process and now, 10 years and a very happy, Godly marriage later, I am so grateful for the counsel I received from my church pastor.
I always try not to offer too much of my own advice. Even though I have "experience", I don't believe that I am qualified to offer much advice other than PRAY, READ and SEEK wise, GODLY counseling.
Thanks for the post. Marriage is such an important topic these days. Too many people see marriage as a temporary fix to that warm fuzzy feeling. They run right into it without ever stopping to think about the consequences of failure. These same people see divorce as an easy way out when the going gets tough and the warm fuzzy feeling fades.
Thank you so much for your ministry, leadership and willingness to share. I am so thankful for you all.
This blog was shared with me today at a time when my house has been steady smoldering for over a year and I was searching for the cause of the smoke. The flame has finally been found and I think it has been put out. The burn caused by the fire is deep and pain full and I am struggling as I type this to work through it. I know all the right scripture and all the right steps but they are so far out of reach that I just can't grasp them. I plan on signing off and going to see if I can find "Fireproof" on Demand. If so, we'll watch it tonight.
I agree with some of these posts and some of them make me bristle.
Beth wrote something in "Praying God's Word" about a friend of hers whose marriage was truly difficult. That by earthly standards, could and possibly should be a divorce. But her friend has chosen a different road. The higher road? Maybe.
I think all the books and tricks and movies in the world can't change a heart that is hardened against God. I've been married to a lot of years to a man that is unchanging. The waves come and go - and I ride them. Never in a million years did I imagine my life would be like this. That my marriage could be such a shell.
I trust God. I cling to Him daily. I've had Christian friends judge me for staying and criticizing my thoughts of leaving.
Truthfully, I don't know why I stay. Except I believe the Lord said to. And I do love my husband. It's just so much less than I thought it could be. But I'm not sure I would know God quite the same way I do know, if I had a husband who loved and cherished me like my heart desires.
I would still love it if God blessed me that way, though.
My advice to someone struggling: fine one or two friends who are Holy Spirit warriors. Avoid opinions based on anything but the Word. Go to God first.
Somtimes, it's a lonely road.
The one thing would be to always be sure that your man is number two with you - Jesus being number
"1". No matter how many children (or grandchildren!) you have or their ages your man has to be more important to you and you have got to show him that he is. My man and I just had our 30th year anniversary. He is my best friend.
One thing I have learned is God can change your heart. Do not give up on your marriage. Keep praying for your spouse and your marriage. I at one time truly could not stand my husband. After 23 years of marriage and praying a lot for my husband. We are in love once again. He prays and shares scripture with me now. I knew God could do all things, I just did not think he would do it for me. Like, it would be to good to be true. It truly is a miracle. I know we will still have our ups and down. But I will not give up on my marriage. I will fight for it and not listen to satan's lies. God can do all things! And, if you are looking for someone who will never fail you, you need to Jesus for that!
Laura
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